13 Replies Latest reply: Dec 28, 2011 2:47 PM by kenneyc
Lessley P. Silberberg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I want my mail and contacts stored LOCALLY, not on your server. I do NOT want to use IMAP protocol for my iCloud account, I want to use POP3. I have paid for my email account for over 10 years, and still list it at "mac.com". If I cannot do this I will fianlly have to DUMP any connection with Apple-based email. What a betrayal! Who decided FOR me that I want IMAP. I want POP3.

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,820 points)

    You're not communicating with Apple when you post here. We're all just fellow users, so it's not "our" server. If you want to comment to Apple, use their feedback pages:

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback

     

    POP would seem to me to be rather defeating the entire purpose of iCloud which is to allow content synching among multiple devices, so I doubt that POP will ever be available in iCloud. If POP is critical to you, then you'll probably need to move to some other email service.

     

    Regards.

  • Lessley P. Silberberg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I know I'm not communicating with Apple here. They do not listen.

     

    I use the MobileMe/iCloud precisely for synching multiple devices. As soon as they are synched, I delete them from the common server and store them locally on my devices. This allows me to save different mail and contacts on different devices. I have control of my information locally. THAT is the point of POP3. I only use the servers for synching

     

    I want the ability to synch them but not to be FORCED to synch them. As I say, I have been doing this for over 10 years with my mac.com account.

     

    I am looking for anyone who has managed to subvert Apple's enforced policy and succeeded in accessing with POP3.

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,820 points)

    It's almost certainly not a "policy" but rather than iCloud just does not include POP. The email server has to include POP technology, and if it doesn't, there's no way for a user to add it. So there's almost certainly no way to "subvert" it.

  • Lessley P. Silberberg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Of COURSE its a policy! MobileMe supported POP and iCloud certainly could too. It was a choice on their part.

     

    I could subvert it now by forwarding everything through Gmail (which I may have to wind up doing), But I was hoping for a more elegant solution.

     

    IMAP, as a protocol, is easier for the sysop of a mail server. It has no benefits to the end user. I expect this kind of thing from Microsoft, NOT Apple. It's probably a result of their going to a "free" service rather than paid. I didn't mind paying for a good service. If I want free, half-assed service, there are lots of other places to get it.

     

    I have used my mac.com email address for over 10 years, it is well known to all of my over 600 clients. I PAID to have an email address that did not change as I changed ISPs. Now... I'll HAVE to go through the hassle of changing it. That was originally the point!

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,820 points)

    It's not a "policy" in the sense that the technology is there to do POP and Apple just has it blocked. Apple apparently, for reasons that make sense to me given the intent of iCloud, chose not to include POP when building the new iCloud system (which is a completely different system than was MobileMe). Hence there's again almost no way to "subvert" things; POP support almost certainly just isn't there.

     

    MobileMe will continue until June 30, 2012, so you have some time to decide what you wish to do and to notify your clients if you decide to change services. You can also cancel your MobileMe service, if you wish to change services now, and receive a prorated refund for the unused portion of your paid subscription.

     

    Nothing more can be said, I fear.

  • Lessley P. Silberberg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It IS a policy in the sense that all one has to do is enable the protocol on the mail server. As a sysop myself and a network engineer with over 30 years of experience, I can think of at least a half-dozen ways to subvert it, but most of them are "ugly". As a consultant that specializes in cross-platform compatibility, Apply has "sold-out" a formerly good product.

     

    I could use Outlook (Mac or PC) and get all of my mail, calendars and contacts synched in one program. Now I have to have a separate imap aacount for my calendar and contacts and another separate imap account for the iCloud, plus my existing POP accounts - that were all in one place. Now, I have to scroll waaaaay up to see my "local" contacts, Scroll waaay down to see my icloud calendar and contatcs and even further dow to access the separate imap folders. It stinks!

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,820 points)

    It IS a policy in the sense that all one has to do is enable the protocol on the mail server.

     

    Not if the procotol isn't built into the server software they can't. I very much doubt that iCloud is running in any standard software (though I can't say with any certainty), so they probably have no POP code in the system that they could just "enable".

     

    Anyway, I have no interest in getting into a debate on the issue. POP is not an announced feature of iCloud. You have the resource via which you can submit comments to Apple if you wish. I very much doubt that iCloud, given Apple's stated intent for it, will ever feature POP email accounts, but we as users have no way of knowing what Apple might do in the future. You can decide what to do from here based on what suits your needs.

     

    'nuff said.

  • Jaeden in RR Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Man, people sure jump to all kinds of assumptions about what is or what isn't supported.  If you won't at least contact them and ask, you can try to use the same method that was used for MobileMe: Set up the Email manually and choose pop for the protocol.

     

    For every person that decides to not feedback, that takes opportunity away from customers who have that want the change.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (40,340 points)

    Lessley P. Silberberg wrote:

     

    I want my mail and contacts stored LOCALLY, not on your server. I do NOT want to use IMAP protocol for my iCloud account, I want to use POP3. I have paid for my email account for over 10 years, and still list it at "mac.com". If I cannot do this I will fianlly have to DUMP any connection with Apple-based email. What a betrayal! Who decided FOR me that I want IMAP. I want POP3.

     

    On each of your clients make local folders for the storage of items that you wish to keep on the individual client, that will remove them from the server.

  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,820 points)

      If you won't at least contact them and ask, you can try to use the same method that was used for MobileMe: Set up the Email manually and choose pop for the protocol.

     

    POP is not allowed as an option for iCloud email in the Mail settings. iCloud is a specific account type in Mail, and if you try to use the POP account type, there is no incoming mail server for iCloud for POP, not that I can find anywhere, in any case; only IMAP. So a manual setup does not appear to be possible. Again, it does not appear that iCloud has any POP capabilities.

     

    Regards.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (40,340 points)

    Jaeden in RR wrote:

     

    Man, people sure jump to all kinds of assumptions about what is or what isn't supported.  If you won't at least contact them and ask, you can try to use the same method that was used for MobileMe: Set up the Email manually and choose pop for the protocol.

     

    For every person that decides to not feedback, that takes opportunity away from customers who have that want the change.

    And you have tried this?

  • Jaeden in RR Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Yeah, MobileMe was the same way.  You had to do the manual setup for it and put in the specific servers manually.  The MM servers were pop.me.com and smtp.me.com respectively if I am remembering correctly, so I would try pop.icloud.com and see if it works.

     

    And no I have not tried this.  I don't use Outlook and am just providing best memory assistance.  I personally prefer IMAP as POP is pretty terrible imo.  Part of the appeal for me in regards to IMAP is that it keeps everything the same so I can look at my iCloud.com and any other device I have to be using to check email real quick.

  • kenneyc Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It was, somehow at one point. When I upgraded to iCloud on my lion machine, it just worked (I've had my account as pop for as long as I can remember). My Mail app settings say "iCloud POP" in the account type, with the shiny iCloud icon and everything.

     

    Different issue, but now I'm looking at how to elegantly move my mail from the pop mailboxes to different folders on my computer so that I can safely delete the account to re-make it as IMAP.