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  • Brian Shaw3 Level 1 Level 1 (135 points)

    Unfortunately, I do not have another phone to try it in, but if you are correct that I cannot get on the Verizon network with any other SIM in the phone, then indeed the SIM must be dead (because I can make and receive calls and texts via the Verizon network). I do have another SIM which I haven't cut down to size yet. Maybe I damaged the first one when I cut it to micro-SIM size. Perhaps I should try to find a commercial SIM cutter at Staples or somewhere before I try to use the second SIM.

  • Stephen Longworth Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That seems the most likely explanation. I didn't realize you cut it down yourself. The one I purchased had been cut down by the seller.  It's pretty simple to do, from what I've seen, what kind of instructions did they give you for the modification?  Did you use scissors or an exacto knife? I hear the former can sometimes damage the SIM.

  • Brian Shaw3 Level 1 Level 1 (135 points)

    I cut it down with scissors, following instructions found on the web. It was very easy to do and there are no visible signs to suggest that there is any damage. The gold contacts are untouched, but very close to the edges (the contacts on a T-Mobile SIM, for some reason, occupy almost the entire surface area of the micro-SIM; the Verizon SIM's contacts occupy much less; see attached photo). I thought that maybe the metal SIM cradle was shorting out contacts, but if that were true, then NO T-Mobile SIM would work in ANY iPhone.

     

    I'm going to stop by my local Verizon Wirelesxs store today to see if they have a SIM cutter that I can use to modify my second T-Mobile card.BS2_0706.jpg

  • Stephen Longworth Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Brian,  the position of the contacts on your T-Mobile SIM is different from the position on my T-Mobile SIM. I think you may have cut it wrong.  On my SIM, which was cut by the seller, the contacts are not centered on the SIM like yours are. Here's a photo of mine. You could try cutting the other one like this. No guarantees, but mine worked just fine.

     

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  • Brian Shaw3 Level 1 Level 1 (135 points)

    That did the trick, Stephen. You're a life saver! Thanks a lot. If you're in London Friday night, I'll buy yoiu a couple of pints!

  • Brian Shaw3 Level 1 Level 1 (135 points)

    I guess that part of the T-Mobile activation process involves them sending me a one-time activation PIN via text message, right? So I'll have to find T-Mobile U.S. signal somewhere in order to receive it. Then what, do you know?

  • KiltedTim Level 8 Level 8 (45,765 points)

    Brian Shaw3 wrote:

    So I'll have to find T-Mobile U.S. signal somewhere in order to receive it. Then what, do you know?

    That's not going to work.

     

    You can NOT use the phone with any carrier other than Verizon in the U.S.

  • Brian Shaw3 Level 1 Level 1 (135 points)

    KiltedTim:

     

    Then how come the phone that now has the T-Mobile UK SIM in it shows "no service" even though the Verrizon signal here has always been 5 bars (I can see their tower out my window) and they are the ONLY carrier that serves my location?

     

    It is my understanding that with a foreign SIM in the phone, I can make and receive calls here in the U.S. on a roaming basis as if I were a foreign visitor. But I can't roam on the Verizon network because it is CDMA and T-Mobile is GSM. In about an hour I'll be in town where T-Mobile U.S.A. has signal and I'm betting I'll be able to complete activation.

     

    I'll report back...

  • KiltedTim Level 8 Level 8 (45,765 points)

    Yes, you can use a foreign SIM in the phone as long as that SIM has international roaming enabled on the account it's associated with. You will not be able to activate a UK T-Mobile SIM on the US T-Mobile network, though.

  • Stephen Longworth Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Brian, glad the photo helped. I assume you cut the other SIM to match mine. Unfortunatley I won't be in London to take up your offer of a pint. No worrie.

     

    On the question of "activation" :  My SIM didn't need any kind of pin number to activate. All I did was turn the phone on with SIM installed when I landed in the UK and it just hopped right on to T-Mobile network. I then immediately got a couple of text messages from T-Mobile. I can't remember what they said exactly but it was basic stuff welcoming me to the network and letting me know how to "top up" the account. Did you get an "E-Top-up Card" with the SIM?  You'll need something like that to put more pre paid minutes on the card and also to get data. I wasn't getting data at first, just voice calling, so called the T-Mobile number in UK and they gave me 5 gb of data usage free!  which was plenty for a two week stay.  My SIM also came with 5 pounds sterling worth of voice calls already on it, which was about what the SIM cost me, so essentilally the SIM was free.

     

    I think you'll find that all you have to do is install it and turn the phone on in the UK. If you need more minutes you can buy them almost anywhere. I went into a small supermarket and the cashier just swiped my E-Top-up card from TMobile and my credit card and in 60 seconds my phone was topped up with more minutes. Dead easy.

    Good Luck!!

  • Brian Shaw3 Level 1 Level 1 (135 points)

    Hello again, Stephen.

     

    I did match the cut per your photo ("brilliant" as they say in England.)

     

    After I drove "over the mountain" into my closest town and picked up T-Mobile U.S. "dial tone" I instantly received confirmation via text from T-Mobile U.K. of account activation. I also received the "one-time" PIN that has since allowed me to create a "My T-Mobile" account on line and to "top up" via credit card (the SIM came with no credit). I feel much better that I was able to establish and test a U.K. account before I leave the shores of the U.S.

     

    To KiltedTim: you were, as I suspected, incorrect when you stated "You will not be able to activate a UK T-Mobile SIM on the US T-Mobile network, though". I can, and I did. Works like a charm (but, of course, I don't want to make any calls or surf the web in that mode; the roaming costs are even worse than if I took a U.S. phone and roamed in the U.K.)

     

    Thanks again for all your help, Stephen! I'm off to London, and the Churchill Arms, with confidence that I can pretend that I'm a Brit when it comes to using my iPhone over there....

  • vinayak44 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hello junglekingmowgli....!!
    I am from India, and my sister who is a US resident is planning to gift  me her Verizon iPhone 4S; which is "locked"..
    Please tell me the procedure to unlock it safely (i dont want it to become an iBrick ;-))
    and after unlocking can i use it in India with an GSM service Provider (Airtel).
    also tell me if i can update its software everytime i connect with Itunes...am afraid it would be locked again...PLEASE HELP ..!!!

  • Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (46,275 points)

    vinayak44 wrote:

     

    Hello junglekingmowgli....!!
    I am from India, and my sister who is a US resident is planning to gift  me her Verizon iPhone 4S; which is "locked"..

    She needs to contact Verizon and discuss it with them.

  • vinayak44 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    But can it be fully unlocked to be used in any other country outside America?

  • Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (46,275 points)

    When I asked Verizon that question, they said "yes". However, I have not had reason or opportunity to test it out.

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