8 Replies Latest reply: Dec 8, 2011 5:22 PM by moskovit
moskovit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I will soon be moving into an apartment in which my landlord provides wireless internet through her own router.

 

I also have my own Time Capsule, which I'd like to continue to use to back up my Mac via Time Machine.

 

Is it possible to connect to both my Time Capsule (for backup only) and another router (for internet only) at the same time?

 

If not, can anyone suggest a good workaround?

  • 1. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (35,385 points)

    You can do both but you will need to use a different network connection.. ie ethernet to the TC.

     

    Then you need to ensure that the TC on ethernet is lower than the airport in the connection priority so that the gateway to the wireless router takes precedence over the gateway of the TC.

  • 2. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    moskovit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    LaPastenague: Thanks for your suggestion.  It's nice to know I can do that, but keeping my laptop connected to ethernet is not very convenient. My whole point in having a laptop, instead of a desktop, is to be able to carry it around without having to plug anything into it.

     

    I've done a little research, and it looks like I might be able to wirelessly daisy chain the two routers, using WDS (wireless distribution system), assuming my landlord's router supports it, but that this would drop the speed of the internet significantly: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2623802?start=0&tstart=0

     

    So I'm still wondering: Is there another workaround?  Is there a way to get my mac to connect to my time capsule (for backup) and another router (for internet) simultaneously, or is that just technologically impossible?  If it's impossible, is there another solution?

  • 3. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (35,385 points)

    moskovit wrote:

     

    I've done a little research, and it looks like I might be able to wirelessly daisy chain the two routers, using WDS (wireless distribution system), assuming my landlord's router supports it, but that this would drop the speed of the internet significantly: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2623802?start=0&tstart=0

     

     

    It works extremely poorly and the landlord would need to agree to it.. plus it would require use of WEP security which is hackable by children with internet hack kits in about 2min flat. Don't go there. Apple have made their products incompatible with most other routers. So any suggestion of a workaround will involve spending some money on your part.

     

    You could buy a airport express and plug that into the main router by ethernet.. again if allowed. Your TC can do wireless bridge to another apple product very well. Messy but could work. It is not that expensive to get a second hand AEBS and use that. You don't need the latest products but wireless range would be better in the AEBS than AE.

     

     


    So I'm still wondering: Is there another workaround?  Is there a way to get my mac to connect to my time capsule (for backup) and another router (for internet) simultaneously, or is that just technologically impossible?  If it's impossible, is there another solution?

    You cannot wirelessly connect to two different wireless devices at once on one client. You need to either have a second wireless client in the laptop.. for instance a USB stick which can be fairly tiny nowadays. It is just you need to find one with Mac drivers. Or the TC must have internet connectivity. You could get that by buying a wireless bridge, and using that in your room, with the TC plugged into it. Universal wireless bridge devices are fairly cheap, but can be a pain to setup. Look for products that work with the main router and use as fast a speed as possible. It can be a tricky setup as you need the wireless bridge working on one channel and the TC working on another. What I am suggesting is the WDS solution you found but using two different boxes to do it. And not using WDS at all, unless the main router is suitable, but rather universal bridge.

     

    The hassle of all that suggests to me,, I would go for the wireless stick, so your Mac laptop has two wireless clients.

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/iMAC-MAC-Apple-Airport-G3-G4-G5-OS-X-USB-WIRELESS-CAR D-/290538112833?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a56bc741

    I have no idea if this works just to show you what I mean. Please do research it yourself.

    An ethernet connection to the TC is far superior solution albeit would require you to plug and unplug it.

  • 4. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    moskovit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks.  The USB stick does sound like it might be the best solution.  I found an inexpensive, small, mac-compatible one here: http://www.amazon.com/AirLink101-AWLL5088-Wireless-Ultra-Adapter/dp/B003X26PMO/

     

    Question: Could I use the USB stick with Time Machine on the Time Capsule, and use the internal Airport card with the internet via the router, or would it have to be the reverse?  Reason I ask is that I care about speed and range for the internet much more than for backup, and I'm guessing that the internal card will have better speed and range than a USB stick, for my 2010 MacBook Pro (right?).

  • 5. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    moskovit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    PS If it's possible to use a USB stick with Time Machine via Time Capsule, how would I set that up?  I've been scouring the web, but I can't find the answer.  Thanks for your help.

  • 6. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    LaPastenague Level 8 Level 8 (35,385 points)

     

    Question: Could I use the USB stick with Time Machine on the Time Capsule, and use the internal Airport card with the internet via the router, or would it have to be the reverse?  Reason I ask is that I care about speed and range for the internet much more than for backup, and I'm guessing that the internal card will have better speed and range than a USB stick, for my 2010 MacBook Pro (right?).

    Either way around.. that is purely up to you.

     

    You are probably correct that the internal card will have better range and speed.. then again it simply might not matter that much. After all if you can connect at even 20mbps.. (real world throughput not link speed) how much faster is the internet than that?? Mostly the internet is far slower than wireless link will be.. but that is up to you to discover. On the other hand having as much capacity to the TC for backup as possible will be helpful in terms of how long it takes.

     

     

    moskovit wrote:

     

    PS If it's possible to use a USB stick with Time Machine via Time Capsule, how would I set that up?  I've been scouring the web, but I can't find the answer.  Thanks for your help.

    Easy peasy actually..

     

    Leave your internet connection on automatic dhcp to get dns and gateway. As stated it makes no difference which one you use, and there is no reason not to try both.

     

    Whichever one connects to the Time Capsule. Go into the network system preference, set a static ip in the same range as the TC.. ie at default the TC is 10.0.1.1 .. just make the IP in the Mac 10.0.1.254 (that is the top of the range and keeps it out of the way).. set the subnet to 255.255.255.0. Leave all the rest blank.. there is no need for dns or gateway. The TC is now part of the local network and can be discovered by the TM utility and the airport utility. But will not cause issues with the internet connection.

     

    The only thing that could trick you here is if the main router happens to use 10.0.0.x and worse yet have a subnet of 255.0.0.0 so just post again if that is the case.

    Most routers will use 192.168.x.x private address range.

  • 7. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    moskovit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    LaPastenague, thanks for your help.  I'll give that a try, if necessary, when I move into the new apartment next week.  I'll let you know if I have any problems.  Thanks again!

  • 8. Re: Possible to simultaneously use time capsule for backup + another router for internet?
    moskovit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    LaPastenague, you are a genius and/or a saint!  Your solution (adding a wireless adapter) worked!  I just plugged in the adapter, set it up to connect to the Time Capsule, and it worked!  Thanks again for your help