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  • 210. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    Michael Allbritton Level 6 Level 6 (16,710 points)

    Scenario wrote:

     

    My point is that there is no plausible excuse to match 9 out of 10 songs on a clean rip of AC/DC's Back in Black, but then choke on track 7 when it's a clear match from the user's perspective. iTunes Match's algorithm consisently chokes in this way across most of my entire library. 1 or 2 songs from popular albums simply fail to match, and that's affecting everyone and painting this service in a bad light.

    It's ironic you would choose AC/DC as an example, because none of their music is available for sale on the iTunes Store, and the fact that Back in Black matches at all is a puzzle to everyone (at least it is to me). Incidentally, my 2003 remastered copy of that album matched 100%. So you've got an older master than what is in the iTunes Store DB. There are apparently some sonic differences.

  • 211. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    Scenario Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Another idea is a "Sure Match" feature, where iTunes could ask you to hold a CD's bar code up to your computer's camera and then scan it for a match against their database. That would increase the probability that the user really does own the CD.

     

    The matching test could be performed while the CD is in the drive and then all tracks could be automatically matched against Apple's master version of that exact CD, rather than on a track-by-track basis.

     

    Of course you could still spoof this system by printing a downloaded bar code or by inserted a burned copy of the CD. But obviously you can spoof the matching test today anyway by simply copying the song files from someone else.

     

    I'm sure Apple probably considered this...

  • 212. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    Scenario Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Back in Black just happened to be the first album in my library. And yes, clearly matched songs are a superset of what's for sale in the iTunes Store contrary to popular belief -- that's a good thing. But Apple is not testing for matches against all releases of a track and I hope they will quickly expand their database by analyzing tracks that had to be uploaded.

  • 213. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    roebeet Level 2 Level 2 (430 points)

    An interesting idea for sure, but I don't see the labels going for it for the reason you cited.   I can see pirate sites cropping up with UPC scans, and a JPG/PNG is much harder to control than a bunch of MP3 files, given its ubuquitous nature on the web and the small file size.

  • 214. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    Mike Connelly Level 4 Level 4 (1,785 points)

    While I don't think the whole thing is as simple as you make it out to be, they should definitely be able to improve it, particularly things like songs not matching because the length is off by a second or two.

     

    And I do agree that in the case of an album matching all tracks but one or two, it would make sense to relax the matching algorithm a bit on those remaining tracks if that's what it takes to get those to match properly.  The overall rate of matching doesn't bother me (and I'm getting lower than 80%) but the albums that partially match are particularly irksome.

     

    This service has been out months, seriously no real improvements in that time?  Or are we going to see the fixes 11 months after release so Apple can try to get people to renew the service?

  • 215. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    eegad Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Signed up for itunes match today and spent many hours letting it do it's thing matching & uploading.  Sure wish that I had read through these forums before signing up as I am not real happy with the results.  About 500 out of 3000 songs did not match. I expected there to be maybe 100 or so, since I had a few vinyl rips, and some more obscur 60s/70s/80s pop songs in my library.  What I was not expecting was to see mainstream albums get chopped up. Things like Pink Floyd The Wall and Wish You Were Here; or Genesis Duke and Abacab, to name a few.  On those albums and many others, 2/3 of the tracks matched, and the other 1/3 did not and so they got uploaded.  These were rips from store-bought CD's, purchased back throughout the 90s.  If ALL the songs on the album did not match due the itunes store carrying a higher-quality remastering of the album, I could understand it.  But having 2/3 of an album match? Come on. Apple needs to MAJORLY tweek their matching software, and there needs to be a way to select inividual songs and say something like "attempt rematch with rest of album"!

  • 216. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    The Server Surfer Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    I agree, eegad.  Having unmatched tracks with no pratical method to fix them is bad enough, and it's especially frustrating when the those two unmtched tracks are on an album you bought through iTunes itself!!

     

    I understand they need to be careful about allowing people to arbitrarily say, "This is the song I want," and simply taking their word for it.  But there should be a way to say, "Look, this song is my library is the same as this song in yours," and have the system compare the tracks directly, saying, "Oh, not only is it the same song, it's the exact copy I sold you three years ago.  My bad."

  • 217. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    LTParis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I finally decided to take the plunge into iTunes Match after using Google Play for a month or so. I really didn't like their UI and we are pretty Apple centric. To my dismay 3739 of 15574 tracks (21%) have to be uploaded, and like many these are "onsies and twosies" of full albums.

     

    I am glad at least about 50% of those songs I had ripped at 256k rips so the uploads will be of higher quality, but there are still some that just make no sense that after nearly a year they have not made public any improvements to the matching quality.

     

    I am happy that the majority of my 2nd generation ripping effort back some years ago at AAC 128kbps have been mostly matched. Seems my decision to flip to VBR mp3 is more at issue.

  • 218. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    Tom1957 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    im thinking im going to get a media drive and chuck itunes into touch as i spend more time and effort fixing it than is worth it and i have also lost about 10 percent of my music and after having paid for itunes match why should i have to keep re adding tracks also the ubove problems

  • 219. Re: attempt to "re-match" tracks
    VipinM Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    APPLE .. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIX THIS???  in 2040?

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