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Videos upside down

My videos look fine on the phone but as soon as I copy themover to my computer they are upside down. I’ve found out that if I take thevideo with the phone upside down (the shutter button in the bottom left) thevideo comes out ok, but as soon as I turn the phone right way round and take videothey are upside down again. I believe this is the same with photos as well.


I’ve tried loading the video in Blender, VLC, Windows mediaplayer, they all play the wrong way round, only Apple quicktime works, which isno good.


Does anyone know if Apple have acknowledged this issue yet and if it will be fixed soon? I've been told that in the past it didn't matter what way round you held your phone the photos\vidoes always come out looking ok. So this might be a recent bug.


I know with the iPhone 4 we were told we had to hold it acertain way to get a good signal, but now we have to hold it a certain way tomake sure the video isn’t upside down?

Posted on Nov 17, 2011 5:48 AM

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Posted on Nov 17, 2011 9:45 AM

In my case I take HD video with an Apple iPhone 4S and an iPad 2. These cameras can be just as easily oriented in any of four orientations by hand, or in various iPhone or iPad holders for mounting on a tripod. As long as I stay with Apple or Adobe products for my whole video handling process, I have no problem with software support for orientation


While there are countless software programs available today that display JPEG images, only a subset of them actually interpret the EXIF Orientation flag. Just like color management, many programs simply display the JPEG image as it is stored, and completely ignore any extra details stored in the file's metadata. The most important of these additional details is the Orientation flag, stored in the JPEG APP1 marker under EXIF IFD0.


More explanation of this is in the text below.


Briefly, Apple is doing it right, with their iPhone 4S and iPad 2, the way most High end video cameras do it. And they made sure that their apps looked at the appropriate flag to rotate the image before showing it. To understand this look at this site:

http://www.impulsead...rientation.html

This is a site that explains the whole deal. Apple and Adobe are looking at the flags for image rotation. Plex,and many others are not doing so. VLC for instance, DropBox is anpther example, Thunderbird is another example, the list is long.

Many newer digital cameras (both dSLR and Point & Shoot digicams) have a built-in orientation sensor. Virtually all Canon andNikon digital cameras have an orientation sensor. The output of this sensor is used to set the EXIF orientation flag in the image file's metatdata to reflect the positioning of the camera with respect to the ground. Canon calls their sensor the "Intelligent Orientation" sensor. It is presumably a 2-axis tilt sensor, allowing 4 possible orientations to be detected. The paragraphs below are taken from that wonderfully illustrated link.

Auto-rotation in Digital Cameras

While your digital camera may include an option to "auto-rotate images" due to the camera's orientation, this is almost always just a "virtual rotation". A flag is set to indicate to the viewing software / LCD preview which way to rotate the image before display, rather than rotating the image content itself.

As lossless image rotation is a fairly compute-intensive operation, digital cameras are not likely to include true lossless rotation after capturing the photo. The CCD/CMOS sensor hardware is designed to stream raw data in a particular direction (e.g. rows then columns), and so it may be hard to incorporate true auto-rotation in-camera without a performance impact to continuous shooting (frames per second).

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Nov 17, 2011 9:45 AM in response to reckoning

In my case I take HD video with an Apple iPhone 4S and an iPad 2. These cameras can be just as easily oriented in any of four orientations by hand, or in various iPhone or iPad holders for mounting on a tripod. As long as I stay with Apple or Adobe products for my whole video handling process, I have no problem with software support for orientation


While there are countless software programs available today that display JPEG images, only a subset of them actually interpret the EXIF Orientation flag. Just like color management, many programs simply display the JPEG image as it is stored, and completely ignore any extra details stored in the file's metadata. The most important of these additional details is the Orientation flag, stored in the JPEG APP1 marker under EXIF IFD0.


More explanation of this is in the text below.


Briefly, Apple is doing it right, with their iPhone 4S and iPad 2, the way most High end video cameras do it. And they made sure that their apps looked at the appropriate flag to rotate the image before showing it. To understand this look at this site:

http://www.impulsead...rientation.html

This is a site that explains the whole deal. Apple and Adobe are looking at the flags for image rotation. Plex,and many others are not doing so. VLC for instance, DropBox is anpther example, Thunderbird is another example, the list is long.

Many newer digital cameras (both dSLR and Point & Shoot digicams) have a built-in orientation sensor. Virtually all Canon andNikon digital cameras have an orientation sensor. The output of this sensor is used to set the EXIF orientation flag in the image file's metatdata to reflect the positioning of the camera with respect to the ground. Canon calls their sensor the "Intelligent Orientation" sensor. It is presumably a 2-axis tilt sensor, allowing 4 possible orientations to be detected. The paragraphs below are taken from that wonderfully illustrated link.

Auto-rotation in Digital Cameras

While your digital camera may include an option to "auto-rotate images" due to the camera's orientation, this is almost always just a "virtual rotation". A flag is set to indicate to the viewing software / LCD preview which way to rotate the image before display, rather than rotating the image content itself.

As lossless image rotation is a fairly compute-intensive operation, digital cameras are not likely to include true lossless rotation after capturing the photo. The CCD/CMOS sensor hardware is designed to stream raw data in a particular direction (e.g. rows then columns), and so it may be hard to incorporate true auto-rotation in-camera without a performance impact to continuous shooting (frames per second).

Nov 17, 2011 10:40 AM in response to AdjuvantJohn

Hi thank you for the technical reasons why apple have chosen to do this but it doesn't really help me solve the problem. All I know is that when I send my videos to people they are coming back and saying they are upside down. Also when I load them into my application I have the same problem.


I just want my videos to be the right way round regardless how I hold my phone.


It sounds like I'll have to remember to use my phone upside down if I want to ensure everyone can view them the right way round and my application can load them up correctly.


Are Apple going to fix this?

Nov 17, 2011 11:14 AM in response to reckoning

Since Apple and Adobe are doing it right ( looking at the orientation value in the EXIF metadata,) and so many other Mac and Windows developers have failed to support still and video from higher end cameras, and the Apple camera, which are following the camera mfg lead in using EXIF, it is not likely Apple will "fix this"


( rather a long sentence that was, eh?) Oh well, there are some solutions.


1) Make 4 Post it notes as listed below:


Home Button to the right

Home Button to the left

Home Button up on top

Home Button down on bottom


Take a picture with the home button in each the four positions that match your post it notes


Figure out the home button orientation that works for the app you are trying to "fix it" for and use that orientation.


2) Alternatively, on an OSX based Mac use Graphic Converter X to rotate the image as required for the app you are sending your image to. This might be tricky, as GC X uses Apple's QTKit in the development of their app to make sure the image is oriented upright based on the metadata tags.


Good luck with all this struggle.

Nov 17, 2011 11:56 AM in response to AdjuvantJohn

1. No need to do this, I know what works which is to hold the phone upside down when you record the video. This means instead of the shutter button on the top, which is how you would normally use it, it's on the bottom and ackward to use.


2. So basically convert or re-encode all my videos because they're upside down?


Come on this is crazy. I just want my videos and pictures to be the right way round without having to hold my phone a certain way. Is this really so hard to do?


How can you call this "doing it right" when it's causing these problems. Doing it right to me means "it just works", which it doesn't at the moment.

Nov 17, 2011 3:40 PM in response to reckoning

If you open your videos with any Apple product, or any Adobe product, they will be right side up because both those companies support camera orientation information.


Any piece of software, Mac or Windows, that does not display your videos right side up is NOT making use of camera orientation information. Any piece of Mac or Windows software that supports video from high end camera should show your videos right side up because the DO support camera orientation..


If you choose not to use products by Apple or by Adobe, then you may be able to find an upgrade to the product you hope will work, but seems not to. Alternatively, you may also find that their tech support has some setting that will work for you.


As for " it just works", indeed camera orientation does work on any device running Apple or Adobe software on the Apple Mac OSX or the Apple iOS.

Nov 17, 2011 4:01 PM in response to reckoning

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Windows-Photo-Gallery-frequentl y-asked-questions


What does it mean to rotate pictures on import?

If your camera can detect whether you take pictures vertically or horizontally (usually by using a sensor that can tell how the camera is oriented), your computer can automatically rotate JPEG pictures to the correct orientation when they are imported. If you use this option, you will not have to manually rotate pictures that appear sideways on your computer, and it does not affect the image quality of your pictures. Windows does this by default, but you can turn this feature off.

To turn off automatic picture rotation

  1. Open Windows Photo Gallery by clicking the Startbutton User uploaded file, clicking All Programs, and then clickingWindows Photo Gallery.
  2. Click the File menu, and then click Options.
  3. Click the Import tab.
  4. Clear the Rotate pictures on import check box, and then click OK.


http://explore.live.com/windows-live-movie-maker-file-types-faq




What kind of files can I use in Movie Maker?

You can add the following types of video, photo, and audio files to Windows Live Movie Maker.


Show All


User uploaded fileProject files



User uploaded fileVideo files

Video file types (format)File name extensions

Windows MediaVideo (WMV) files

.wmv

Windows Mediafiles

.asf and .wm

AVCHD files

.m2ts and .m2t

Apple QuickTime files

.mov and .qt

DV‑AVI files

.avi

MicrosoftRecorded TV Show files

.dvr-ms and .wtv

MPEG‑4 movie files

.mp4, .mov,.m4v, .3gp, .3g2, and .k3g

MPEG‑2 movie files

.mpeg, .mpg, .mpe, .m1v, .mp2, .mpv2, .mod, and .vob

MPEG‑1 movie files

.m1v

Motion JPEG files

.avi and .mov

User uploaded file



User uploaded file

Nov 17, 2011 4:11 PM in response to reckoning

http://windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=38a84c41-28ae-406b-b1f6-0f1f7742 027a



Question Summary

Other Windows Live Movie Maker issues

Which version of Windows Live Movie Maker are you using ?

Version 2011 (15.4.3538.513)

Choose your Operating System version :

Windows 7

Additional Details
how can I rotate a video from a smart phone? the video arrives in landscape and I need to rotate it portrait...how can I do that?


Answer:


If you are looking to rotate the videos [clips] or pictures…

In Windows Live Movie Maker the option to do this is located at the top of the ribbon GUI under the

HOME tab. The options are labeled as rotate left and rotate right. Select your object and click the

option.

Until next time,

Larry Henry Jr.

LEHSYS.Blogspot.com

Videos upside down

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