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OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,145 points)

I am on the side of those who think this is recovery method is absolutely stupid.  I want a USB drive (and I'm not paying $68 for it, since I could buy 10 8GB USB flash drives for that amount of cash, and Lion is supposed to be included for us) with the whole installation disk.  I travel a lot, and although I've only had to use recovery disks once, it was in a place without internet, so I would be up the creek under this new Apple "innovation."

 

So, I have a new MBP.  Of course, it came with Lion.  I cannot figure out a way to download Lion to create a Lion installer.  If I go to the App store, it says "installed".  I can't do anything there.  I don't think Apple saved more than $1 in production costs for a Lion DVD installer, so this is truly annoying.

 

How can I get the Lion disk image to get the installer onto a flash drive, so that I can save my Mac, just in case?  I know how to creat the installer, but I need Lion.

 

And I'm going to head over to the complaint department to register my annoyance at this.  I mean why couldn't they have included a USB flash drive in the brand new box?  I actually looked, believe it or not.


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.2)
  • shldr2thewheel Level 7 Level 7 (25,855 points)

    I think this is what you may be looking for: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4848  

  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,145 points)

    Nope.  That only recreates the partition that's on my hard drive.  You still have to download 3-4GB on the internet.  So if you're sitting in a tent uploading photos from a day's shoot, and the Mac blows up, I need to reinstall Lion.

     

    I could clone my Mac to an external drive, but an 8GB drive runs about $5.  A 500GB external portable drive, about 15X that.

  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5 (4,330 points)

    OrangeMarlin wrote:

     

    I could clone my Mac to an external drive, but an 8GB drive runs about $5.  A 500GB external portable drive, about 15X that.

    What will it cost if you lose your work????  What will it

    cost if you are unable to do your work?????

     

    Cloning to an external hard drive  is very cheap insurance

    compared to losing something that may never be recoverable. 

    And more often than not, when there is hard drive

    corruption, data on it is usaually not easily recovered, if at all.  It

    is also cheap insurance to get back up and running quickly.

  • LexSchellings Level 5 Level 5 (7,250 points)

    Sitting in a tent at the Moddle Of Nowhere, and doing work on your mac, you need an extra HD anyway to make backups: partition that one and make a clone on one partition.

  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (64,875 points)

    See my backup FAQ*:

     

    http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html

     

    You have several cloning options available to you.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)

    I have to agree with Woodmeister — make a clone. It's a fools game to rely on making a recovery disk even if you could; trust me, they don't always work (I speak from experience).

     

    Moreover, a clone will do two essential things that a recovery disk will not:

     

    1. Get you back up and running in about 5 minutes

     

    2. Preserve all your data if your internal disk is fried

     

    As already implied above, if you data isn't worth the investment of an external disk ($80?) to you, then there's probably no need to bother backing up at all...

  • keg55 Level 5 Level 5 (7,005 points)

    Here you go.

     

    Follow the instructions in this link to download the InstallESD.dmg file for your new MBP so you can create a USB thumb drive installer. I have a Mac Mini mid-2011 and the instructions worked great. The only thing that might not work right is restoring the InstallESD.dmg to your bootable thumb drive. It might get to the end then fail. If this happens, just dblclick the .dmg file to mount it and restore the 'Mac OS X Install ESD' to the thumb drive. I have used mine to reinstall Lion with and without an internet connecton. It works great.

  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,145 points)

    woodmeister50 wrote:

     

    OrangeMarlin wrote:

     

    I could clone my Mac to an external drive, but an 8GB drive runs about $5.  A 500GB external portable drive, about 15X that.

    What will it cost if you lose your work????  What will it

    cost if you are unable to do your work?????

     

    Cloning to an external hard drive  is very cheap insurance

    compared to losing something that may never be recoverable. 

    And more often than not, when there is hard drive

    corruption, data on it is usaually not easily recovered, if at all.  It

    is also cheap insurance to get back up and running quickly.

    Not a backpacker are you?

  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,145 points)

    softwater wrote:

     

    I have to agree with Woodmeister — make a clone. It's a fools game to rely on making a recovery disk even if you could; trust me, they don't always work (I speak from experience).

     

    Moreover, a clone will do two essential things that a recovery disk will not:

     

    1. Get you back up and running in about 5 minutes

     

    2. Preserve all your data if your internal disk is fried

     

    As already implied above, if you data isn't worth the investment of an external disk ($80?) to you, then there's probably no need to bother backing up at all...

    I appreciate the snark, however, I use Time Machine.  I am not an idiot.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)

    OrangeMarlin wrote:

     

    I use Time Machine.  I am not an idiot.

     

    Sounds like an oxymoron.

     

    Still, you've had your advice; you takes it or you leaves it.

  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,145 points)

    keg55 wrote:

     

    Here you go.

     

    Follow the instructions in this link to download the InstallESD.dmg file for your new MBP so you can create a USB thumb drive installer. I have a Mac Mini mid-2011 and the instructions worked great. The only thing that might not work right is restoring the InstallESD.dmg to your bootable thumb drive. It might get to the end then fail. If this happens, just dblclick the .dmg file to mount it and restore the 'Mac OS X Install ESD' to the thumb drive. I have used mine to reinstall Lion with and without an internet connecton. It works great.

     

    I think there might be a slightly easier way to do this.  I could start up in the Recovery function, but tell it to install to another drive (not my MBP).  When the Mac reboots, just hold down the option key, and then restart back into my MBP.  Dig through the file on the other drive for the Mac OSX InstallESD.dmg, and move it over to the USB or anything.  Then I can restore Mac Lion without the internet, then use Time Machine to rebuild everything.  Easy.

  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,145 points)

    softwater wrote:

     

    OrangeMarlin wrote:

     

    I use Time Machine.  I am not an idiot.

     

    Sounds like an oxymoron.

     

    Still, you've had your advice; you takes it or you leaves it.

    Luckily, I provide much better advice to noobies than you give to individuals who have been using Mac OSX for years, like me.

  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (64,875 points)

    Hey let us all settle down.  What matters not is that you use one backup software over another, more than you recognize each backup software's strengths and weakness, and are prepared with at least two separate copies of your data at all times.  This includes times when you choose to erase, or don't choose to have a media failure.  Recognizing that, is more important than what you use to backup.

  • keg55 Level 5 Level 5 (7,005 points)

    That's kind of how I do it. I run the download while in Lion. I mount the Recovery HD, run the Mac OS X Install.app and point to an external USB drive to install on. When the download finishes and before it wants to restart, I grab the InstallESD.dmg file from the Mac OS X Install Data folder on the external USB drive after right clicking on the Mac OS X Install.app in the Dock, quitting it while making sure I don't confirm the quit until I get the file.

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