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Why do vimeo exported movies appear darker than in FCP X

FCP X movies that I have spent a long time colour correcting appear darker when 'shared' to Vimeo.


I'm using an imac with 10.6.8 Snow Leopard and the latest version of FCP X.


I've read lots of forum threads about this topic.......


Can someone provide a decent solution?


I'd rather not have to resort to exporting a greyscale bar chart, determining the gamma shift with Photoshop's eyedropper then try to create a 'filter' that lets me correct the gamma to match what I'm seeing in FCP X.


COME ON APPLE, SORT IT OUT!!!!!

Final Cut Pro X, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 AM

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Jan 5, 2012 12:44 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Hi Tom,


I've been using the 'share to Vimeo' function from within Fcpx so I have only seen my movie in the Fcpx viewer.


What I see in Fcpx looks great but when i watch it back on Vimeo it is darker.


I'm not sure if Fcpx creates a local copy of the shared movie before it uploads to Vimeo. I'll have a browse through the event/project folders to see if I can find one.

Jan 5, 2012 5:35 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Hi Tom,


thanks, I have just tested this out using a greyscale chart, here's my findings:


Method:

I used a jpeg of a greyscale bar chart for this test.

The first thing I did was open the chart in Photoshop and measure the RGB values for each 'bar' of the chart with the eyedropper (from black RGB 0,0,0 to peak white RGB 255, 255, 255)

Next I Imported the jpeg into a new FCPX project's timeline and took a screeshot of it in the FCP viewer, then measured the RGB levels in Pshop

Next I shared the project to vimeo, waited for the upload and took a screenshot of it playing back on vimeo and again measured the RGB levels of the screenshot.

Then, (thanks to your help) I opened the 'shared' movie file from my FCPX project folder, played it, took a screenshot and measured the RGB values again.


Here are my results:


The problem is still occurring once my video is shared to vimeo. The RGB levels for the greyscale chart's bars are consistent in everything except the vimeo video.


Basically, the source material (chart jpeg), FCPX viewer and shared file are all the same correct gamma/exposure.


However, the vimeo video does not. It has darker midtones and a slight colour-shift with slightly higher G values than R or B.


Any ideas why or what I can do to ensure consistent colours from camera to Vimeo?


I'll post this on the vimeo forum too.


thanks

Jul 21, 2012 11:15 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

Tom Wolsky wrote:

… Any variation in luma and chroma is occuring in Vimeo.

although the topic is a lil' beyond my skills, but what I would try:

upload the file for comparison twice, in a mov and in a mp4 wrapper.


perhaps, Vimeo still assumes a diff. gamma from an Apple machine (mov), than from Windows (mp4).

I know, that is fixed in MacOS for quiet a while.

but maybe Vimeo's import routines don't know.-

so, they still 'correct' from γ1.8 to γ2.2


… just a wild speculation from an half-informed hobbyist... 🙂

Jul 22, 2012 1:15 AM in response to RobSymington

Thanks. I am no expert in this either. What do you mean by export in an mp4 wrapper? Do you mean export it as an mp4 format instead of H264? I'll try anything at this stage. Here is an example of what I am talking about.

http://randylarcombe.com.au/vimeotest/content/Screen_Shot_2012-07-22_at_5.29.01_ PM_large.html As you can see it's a significant jump in colour and contrast.

Jul 22, 2012 2:07 AM in response to rasu

rasu wrote:

… What do you mean by export in an mp4 wrapper? Do you mean export it as an mp4 format instead of H264?? …

no, exactly I did NOT meant that.

that's why I phrased 'wrapper':


a bit confusing, but there's mpeg4, the codec, and there's mp4 the wrapper or media-container:


• use your .mov you have already exported, which has the right colors.

• download/install the free tool Mpeg Streamclip

• open your mov, go straight to 'save as' and choose from drop down mp4

User uploaded file

• save and upload that mp4 for comparison to Vimeo

• (tell us, wether you notice any difference, as said, just an assumption)


What will that do?

your h264 encoded material is actually in a .mov-wrapper

Streamclip unwraps that, and puts it into a .mp4-wrapper

this does NOT encode/transcode/affect your h264 material!

it just changes the box, not the chocolate!


What's NOT working is changing the suffix in a Finder operation - that does NOT affect the 'atoms' of the wrapper = a re-named mp4 will be 'noticed' by many programs/players as a mov anyhow! You HAVE to go the 'long' way with Streamclip - due to the simple re-packing operation, that process needs only seconds 😉


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I'm using this process to 'convert' my FCPX/iMovie .mov-exports to a readable format for my son's Playstation3 ... mov is a nogo, re-named suffix is a nogo. only re-wrapping to .mp4 works. excellent.



... but, as mentioned, I do care very little about gamma and luma as an hobbyist, my 'products' are under-exposured and veeery colorful anyhow 🙂

Mar 28, 2013 10:39 PM in response to Karsten Schlüter

It will not allow you to save as a mp4 from that dialog.


There really needs to be an answer to this. Since FCPX will ONLY let you output to .mov straight to Vimeo, it seems like Vimeo would get the hint that some of us are using Macs and fix this STUPID PROBLEM!


Has anyone found a work around other than graded it brighter before posting to Vimeo?

Why do vimeo exported movies appear darker than in FCP X

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