Can I send photo via email not upside down?

The photos are tagged with an "orientation" code and any software that recognizes these tags will display the image correctly.

My guess is that whatever they are being viewed in does not recognise the tags.

Open them in something like faststone image viewer and you'll see what I mean

It has already been discussed in this thread - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3431867. Post there to make your voice heard so Apple get off their A$$e$ and fix it.

Also make sure to complain to apple here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

There is nothing to fix.

The iPhone works correctly and tags the image correctly.

It's Windows that doesn't work properly. Open the photos or browse them in any software that correctly reads orientation metadata and they will look correct.

Browse them in Windows XP Explorer and they wil be wrong

Dave Hutch wrote:

There is nothing to fix.

The iPhone works correctly and tags the image correctly.

Sorry Dave, but you're missing the point. It's got nothing to do with the EXIF information.

If Apple intend you to hold the camera with the volume button in the top right, ie use the volume button as the shutter button, then that is the phones 'upright' position. When photos and video are taken in 'this position', they all come out upside down.

It's like buying a normal camera, holding it in it's upright position and all your photos coming out upside down.

Anyway, it's probably better to continue this discussion in the other thread I posted above so Apple can see a massive thread and do something about it.

You'd be very surprised at the number of people who consider all phones normal upright position to be portrait.

Particularly Apple's who's camera apps are all accessed from the Home screen which is always in portrait orientation.

Landscape would be the rarity, therefore the exif info takes care of that.

Consider tripod mounts, cases of all descriptions, the fact that since the original iPhone, most photos taken may well have been taken of other people, in the upright, portrait position.

With normal cameras, all buttons and labels are oriented for landscape use, that's not the same for phones which have been traditioanlly made in portrait orientation.

Videos do not come out upside down by the way. I just tested it on my XP machine and used the camera in landscape mode with the volume up button to stop and start

I understand where you're coming from, but just don't necessarily agree 🙂

However...SCREENSHOTS...don't get me started because they don't have exif data showing orientation...what a pain!

Dave,

Let's forget about EXIF for a moment so I can explain myself further.

Before Apple introduced the vol button to take pictures, 'most' ppl held the phone in landscape mode with the home button on the right. I don't know if this was done on purpose by Apple thinking that most ppl are right handed and therefore would use their right hand/thumb to press the shutter button on the screen. If that's the case then I dont know if Apple made this the upright position on purpose or if it's just all coincidence.

If this is the cameras upright position and now Apple want us to take photo & video with the shutter button, then they've left the internal camera in it's 'upright position' and therefore we're all holding the camera upside down now.

Wether EXIF fixes this or not is irelevent. The point is that the camera is now being held upside down if using the vol button.

And yes video is being taken upside down. All my videos are upside down and so are many others in the other thread. I had to use Windows Movie Maker to rotate them.

If taking in portrait mode the shots come out sideways with the 'top' of the pic being on the right. Why? Because, and again let's forget about EXIF for a moment, the iphones internal cameras 'upright position' is sideways with the home button on the right.

So if you forget about ever hearing of EXIF, my point should be clear...

Before Apple introduced the vol button to take pictures, 'most' ppl held the phone in landscape mode with the home button on the right.

How do you know that? I've always held mine in my right hand (being right handed and being able to keep it steadier in my dominant hand) and pressed the camera button with my left thumb.

And yes video is being taken upside down. All my videos are upside down and so are many others in the other thread. I had to use Windows Movie Maker to rotate them.

That's very odd. I have an iPhone 4, s/w 5.0 and at work, Windows XP. My video is correctly orientated when shooting landscape with the volume buttons on the top right of the phone.

So if you forget about ever hearing of EXIF, my point should be clear...

You can't forget about exif, that's why it's there. Digital SLRs can be held in all 4 orientations...and are held in ALL four by differnet people. Some tuck their arms in shooting portraits and have the shutter button bottom right, some take landscape with the shutter Top right, some take portrait the wrong way and stick their elbows out (very annoying if you're a press photographer) and have the button top left.

Nobody cares because exif takes care of it.

Windows XP Preview doesn't respect exif beause Windows is a bit rubbish.

"Proper" photo programmes that have been designed correctly do respect exif tags.

As I say, I know what you are getting at, but I disagree for the reasons stated above

Better yet, check out the two day gathering of professional photographers who are passionate enough about the iPhone 4S to put together a seminar on iPhoneography.

http://www.creativelive.com/courses/iphoneography-jack-hollingsworth

If you miss the free live streaming you can buy the two day seminar videos in HD video or Lo res.

I watched as much of day 1 as I could take the time to do so, and was so impressed by what I learned, that I bought the series for download.

For just one example, out of the profusion of some 9000 camera apps in the iPhone store, I had never encountered FiLMiC Pro for video. The streaming (and downloadable) video devoted to that awesome video software was enough to convince me to buy the two day series.

No where in all that content have I yet heard any of the professionals whining about upside down pictures. Could it be that they use software that is aware of EXIF?

The participants in the iPhoneography sessions are all long time professionals. Your mileage may vary.

Dave Hutch wrote:

Before Apple introduced the vol button to take pictures, 'most' ppl held the phone in landscape mode with the home button on the right.

How do you know that? I've always held mine in my right hand (being right handed and being able to keep it steadier in my dominant hand) and pressed the camera button with my left thumb.

I don't know that for sure, I was only going on 1) how I used to use it and how I saw friends and family use it, and 2) now realising that the internal camera is 'up' in this position. I thought maybe Apple did this on purpose or it was just coincidence.

Dave Hutch wrote:

And yes video is being taken upside down. All my videos are upside down and so are many others in the other thread. I had to use Windows Movie Maker to rotate them.

That's very odd. I have an iPhone 4, s/w 5.0 and at work, Windows XP. My video is correctly orientated when shooting landscape with the volume buttons on the top right of the phone.

But you haven't said what program you're using in XP to view the video... Some people are saying when they use Quicktime it's ok. Well derr, quicktime is an apple product and uses EXIF.

Dave Hutch wrote:

So if you forget about ever hearing of EXIF, my point should be clear...

You can't forget about exif, that's why it's there.

I didn't mean it that way. I meant forget about EXIF for a moment and realise that the iphones 'upright position' is with the volume buttons on the bottom, but now that Apple want you to use the volume button, the camera is now upside down. Now, with the majority of iphone users, they're not using top end cameras and software, they're taking pictures and video of their kids - with the volume button - and sending it to grandma and grandpa - straight from the phone, either by mms or email - and they're receiving them upside down.

Yes, everyone should get with the EXIF program, but Apple should've also thought about which orientation they're default setting is, especially now that they've flipped it and changed the way we take pictures and video.

mfarqwa wrote:

SNIP

Dave Hutch wrote:

So if you forget about ever hearing of EXIF, my point should be clear...

You can't forget about exif, that's why it's there.

I didn't mean it that way. I meant forget about EXIF for a moment and realise that the iphones 'upright position' is with the volume buttons on the bottom, but now that Apple want you to use the volume button, the camera is now upside down. Now, with the majority of iphone users, they're not using top end cameras and software, they're taking pictures and video of their kids - with the volume button - and sending it to grandma and grandpa - straight from the phone, either by mms or email - and they're receiving them upside down.

Yes, everyone should get with the EXIF program, but Apple should've also thought about which orientation they're default setting is, especially now that they've flipped it and changed the way we take pictures and video.

I have to admire your tenacity with this issue. Tempted as I might be to so something dismissive like "Things change, get over it" Lets look ahead to what might, in the future, provide what you want.

As it is now, given the processing power and memory of the iPhone 4S, Apple has been able to provide a wonderfully acceptable picture taking performance, good enough to even support the "Burst Mode" taking of a sequence of pictures very rapidly.

Perhaps, with the iPad 2S ( or iPad 3 as it may be called) there may be enough of an increment of hardware resources to provide in camera processing between shots. Even if they did provide that for still images, think about how much processing power would be needed to do an in camera reorientation of a large video file.

Realistically, this is a trade off in resource use that is unlikely to be possibe with even the next hardware generation beyond, the iPhone 5 or the iPad 4. Why would I say that? Because none of the high priced DSLR cameras attempt in camera processing. manipulating large matrices of pixels in a DSLR or an iPhone or an iPad is way beyond reason.

The bottom line is that if you share phots with folks whose computer is so old that they are still happily using Microsoft IE 6 ( for example) they are unlikely to even think of getting an upgrade to their video viewing software that is EXIF aware.

That leaves the onus on you and I to routinely do a "Save As...." operation on our video and still images, on our own computers, before we send them out to the older aunts and grannies of our families.

Suppose, Apple were to suddenly flip the relationship of the picture upright position and the volume button. Then you would have the millions of newer users suddenly as disturbed as you are. Apple is in a no win situation.

At my age (76) after decades of Mac support work starting in the days of my long departed Apple Lisa computer, I have come to accept the reality that "Things change, so I might as well get over it"

Your mileage may vary.

With kindest regards, and genuine compassion for your position.

John

mfarqwa wrote:

But you haven't said what program you're using in XP to view the video... Some people are saying when they use Quicktime it's ok. Well derr, quicktime is an apple product and uses EXIF.

Just using Preview in Windows Explorer. If I use Photoshop or similar, they all look fine

Dave Hutch wrote:

So if you forget about ever hearing of EXIF, my point should be clear...

You can't forget about exif, that's why it's there.

And I forgot to emphasise, EXIF doesn't exist for video.

Do us a favor.

Try this free viewer for Windows

http://www.irfanview.com/

See if the photos are shown correctly.

ckuan wrote:

Do us a favor.

Try this free viewer for Windows

http://www.irfanview.com/

See if the photos are shown correctly.

Seriously?