.backup file extension management?

can anyone clue me in as to whether the .backup files i am seeing with my Pages documents is something i am getting due to installing the ForeverSave Lite software or if this is somehow system-wide backup extension or a Pages backup extension or what exactly? I tried a search for this but the "backup" and "osx" seems to bring up irrelevant results.


is there a way to control how these behave or to put them in a single "backup files" folder?


right now I am multiple selecting all the ones in a particular folder to clean things up visually and i know at some point I am going to accidentally delete a non-backup file doing this. right now they are really cluttering up my visual space but if they can restore and otherwise lost file i'd like to keep them around in some way.


thanks

Posted on Jan 9, 2012 2:20 PM

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Jan 9, 2012 7:16 PM in response to hotwheels22

Where exactly are you seeing these ".backup" files? Be very specific.


Try searching your hard drive for ".backup" and see what turns up. I doubt it has anything to do with Pages, but Apple could have changed this since the last version I'm running. but if you only see .backup files for Pages documents, then that would seem to point to a new "feature" of Pages.

Jan 10, 2012 6:57 AM in response to hotwheels22

Then I think we've solved the mystery behind those files. You can't really control where they go unless you physically move them to another folder, but you can control whether or not they get created.


If you go to the Preferences > General section of Pages, you can deselect the box that says "Back up previous version when saving" and that will stop those files from being created.

Jan 14, 2012 3:58 PM in response to kurt188

thanks Kurt.


do you or anyone happen to know if this is standard operating procedure for /all/ mac apps, only mac iWork apps and whether all of this has changed in LION?


i'm sort of confounded by the backup situation with mac and i'm very used to having an option to back things up every ten minutes or so.


i mean, i set this in ForeverSave Lite but i only did this for iWork apps. Also, the folks at FS are saying that the Lite version isn't supported any more and that I should upgrade to the full version because it does things better and or that Lion doesn't do? I mean, I would like to buy the app but I can't even figure out what I am and am not getting right now on snow leopard.


anyone able to clear this up for me in a way i understand?


TIA!

Jan 14, 2012 4:16 PM in response to hotwheels22

I'm guessing here, because I don't run Snow Leopard, even though I just got back from helping someone with their Snow Leopard system (and Pages, coincidentally). I believe this is a new feature for all of the iWork apps (after iWork '09, since I haven't seen it in my versions, though I admit I'm not looking for it. But it's never happened to me, so that's what leads me to this conclusion.


I haven't seen it in any other apps on Snow Leopard yet, but as I said, I'm not looking for it, either.

Jan 14, 2012 9:18 PM in response to kurt188

hi. thanks kurt.


for me it would be helpful to know what is available in terms of "incremental saves" - say which you set to 10 minutes in case of a crash - so that you don't lose an hour and a half of work because i didn't /manually/ save in Snow Leopard. i mean, i am working on a computer after all and i am having a hard time understanding if in snow leopard i /have/ to set ForeverSave Lite to backup every ten minutes in iWork software (which I /have/ done) and whether this is also the case that i should /manually/ tell FS Lite to backup the documents i am working on in /other/ software every ten minutes on my mac.


also, is this the case (i.e. i need to manually tell some external software to backup my documents in /all/ my software every ten minute, or if this is built into Lion in some way.


i mean, my understanding of .backup file extensions is that this is actually backing up the last /saved/ file (like the one I opened an hour and a half ago and have put that much time into modifying). so my reading of backup file extensions is that this is just backing up to the last manually save doc which for me is sort of a little lightweight IMHO.


The info here is great but I also have been wondering if I have to buy ForeverSave now for Snow Leopard, whether I have to buy it if I upgrade to Lion. It is a bit of a drag to have to manually select all the programs I want to backup a file adn anyway I don't really understand how mac handles this which would really help me make sure I know what I am doing. right now i feel like i am flying blind with this and if I should make a point to manually save my documents every fifteen minutes will help me know i should be doing this, or really having something that made this unnecessary would be even better.


i guess this is ForeverSave which i should buy and which ostensibly works in Snow Leopord or Lion??

Jan 15, 2012 7:06 AM in response to hotwheels22

You can't set an interval for saving your work (at least not that anyone is aware of yet); Mac OS X does that automatically on it's own schedule. For example, when you're composing a new email message, Mail saves it after about 1 minute as a Draft, and it continues to do this until you send the message, so if your system crashes or the power goes out, that Draft message will still be therre when you restart your Mac. Macs are very reliable, as is Mac OS X, so I think you're worryiing too much about possibly losing data. While it can happen any time, in practice it doesn't happen that often.


Yes, that .backup file is just a copy of the last version you worked on, but that's the point. If you lost the original, you still have the backup. Apple isn't in the business of providing backup solutions for drives; that's for other software developers to do. You don't need to backup every few minutes; once a day is sufficient, unless you're running a business that serves and stores lots of data on servers.


If you want a good backup solution for everything on your system, I'd suggest SuperDuper. It let's you create a bootable backup of your entire system, and keep it updated by backing up only those files that have changed since the last backup. It's very inexpensive,a nd you get a free trial with limitations removed after purchase.


As for Lion, I'd advise against installing it, ever. Many things change in Lion, for the worse. This is just my opinion, but since Tiger, Apple seems to have been focused on adding "features" of dubious nature, and removing things for no good reason.

Jan 15, 2012 3:08 PM in response to kurt188

Hi. OK. Thanks for the opinions on Lion. I've actually been wanting to update for iCloud but holding off until i am sure and have the time. Interesting to get advice not to upgrade so thank you.


Also, I am not following your point here about having not control. Mail messages being saved is one thing, though ideally i would think you would get a Preference option for the timing of this. But in any event, it appears that there is NO incremental update of /any/ programs in Snow Leopard but there may be something in Lion from what I hear. Does anyone know the factual difference between incremental backups of files in these two OS's?


I mean, I am /not/ talking about an external backup of my data which I have in triplicate.


I am talking about an automated and automatic save of a document without having to do this /manually/ by saving myself. If I forget to do this manual update I don't want to lose an hour or two hours of work on a file.


Can anyone confirm that ForeverSave is the only way to do this in Snow Leopard?


Can anyone discuss the specific differences in Lion vs. SL in terms of this?


TIA

Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM in response to hotwheels22

I haven't yet had the opportunity to work on a Lion system yet, but I'm told by several people in the forums that are ranked at Level 9 and 10 that there is an Autosave feature for most, if not all Apple applications in Lion. I've also read that elsewhere on the web.


But given the problems that Lion introduces with other changes to how everything works (or doesn't work, depending on your opinion of progress), I'd never run it on my system and I wouldn't recommend it to any client, either. iCloud is one of those things that holds no interest for me.


Just my opinion.

Jan 15, 2012 3:48 PM in response to kurt188

Thanks for the help here.


Do you mind if I ask you what kind of problems you have found with Lion? I'm sort of actively interested in this as it was in a sense the last piece of the puzzle over here and i'll stop short of upgrading if there are enough alligators in the new OS. don't have the time to deal with too many alligators these days ; )


cheers and thanks

Jan 15, 2012 5:02 PM in response to hotwheels22

Do you mind if I ask you what kind of problems you have found with Lion?

One glaring example: the Save As… function is gone in Apple applications. Instead of that, you have to use Duplicate, which doesn't work the same, because you are duplicating the file, then you have to manually change the name in Finder.


The fact that you have to download Lion to install it and the hours it takes when you don't have the necessary bandwidth are additional problems, along with the fact that the User is required to make a DVD backup of Lion (assuming they have the capability) in case they have a hard disk catastrophe are additional reasons not to ever install Lion.


That's not progress. Whomever greenlighted those things doesn't have a clue as to how Users really work.

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