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if guitar effects are on during recording, they record only to left side

This is a somewhat long posting that I just sent to Logic Pro 7 support. If anyone can help, that would be great. Many thanks!

Here's what "works fine": Record electric guitar onto audio track with no effects. Now, click "inserts" such that various multi-effect options (what I'm calling "macro-effects") are offered. Select any electric guitar effect; all is well. Perfect stereo signal, able to be panned anywhere, left or right.

Here's what is wrong every time: Record electric guitar onto audio track WHILE using a "macro-effect" (such as "Angus on SG + ..."). In this case, the signal is recorded entirely into the left stereo channel. No sound in the right channel. The LED read-out for levels shows the left channel moving up and down; no movement on the right bar. If you look to the audio wave itself, there is a wave ONLY "above the line" -- no wave recorded below the line at all; i.e., it looks like a mountain range. The pan is set to center; but there's only sound in the left speaker. If you move the pan all the way to the right, sound goes to zero.

This MUST be a problem, since it is clear that the effect CAN be applied in stereo to the signal after it is recorded.

Also, though it happens with the "crunch" and "distorted" guitar macro-effects, it does not happen with several of the "clean" effects. (I think it does happen with a few; I'm not sure.) Similarly, effects for vocals (such as "Male Double Lead Vocal") don't have this problem. Same is true for various macro-effects for the bass. I.e., not only can these effects be applied to a previously recorded signal, they can also be applied to the signal while it's being recorded, and the right channel is never lost. Their wave read-outs don't look like mountain ranges; rather, they look like mountain ranges with their full reflection in the water (under the line).

I haven't tested this independently with the various inserts that are working within, say, the "Angus on SG + ...." macro-effect. However, I have opened up each one of those inserts, and I haven't seen anything that would suggest that the right channel should be cut. (Plus, as I said, the right channel ISN'T cut if this same macro-effect is applied to a previously recorded signal.)

Relevant seems to be that, for these particular macro-effects, the input always changes to "Input 1-2" (or "Input 7-8," etc.), whereas for the macro-effects that are fine, the input is just a single number (e.g., "Input 1" or "Input 7").

My audio device is the Presonus Firepod. It would be odd if this component were the problem, since it is perfectly capable of recording a signal that can have the stereo effect applied to it (producing the full wave form). I.e., it records both the stuff that works and the stuff that doesn't work using the same jacks, etc.

Interestingly, when the signal is being recorded (with the macro-effect ON), the wave representation is not a "mountain range" but rather the full "mountain plus reflection." I.e., to the eye, things look just fine when they're being recorded. (I just tested this to make sure.) However, I'm pretty sure that there is in fact no effected signal coming through the right channel at that time. There MAY be a non-effected signal in the right channel, but I'm not sure. In any case, after the stop button is pushed and the track gets officially "processed" by Logic, then the wave changes to looking like just the top of the mountain range (nothing under the line).

dual g5, Mac OS X (10.4.4), Logic Pro 7

Posted on Feb 14, 2006 7:04 PM

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Posted on Feb 14, 2006 10:47 PM

You have recorded only one chanel on a stereo track.
Use a second input on your firepod or use mono -> stereo plugins on a mono track to hear them in stereo.
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Feb 15, 2006 9:32 PM in response to cigame2

Thanks very much; I'm still perplexed though. You're right, the "mono->stereo" plug-ins yield stereo effects for the guitar; but I'm referring to the pre-assembled "sets" of plug-ins that are accessed by clicking on the word "inserts" (above the various slots for plug-ins). When you click on this word, all sorts of effects-sets are offered: for drums, vocals, pianos, guitars, etc. I'm referring to one for "electric guitar" (under "distorted guitar") called "Angus on SG + MS 1959" (though this is true of the other effects in this same category for electric guitar). Here's why things don't make sense to me: 1) since this effects-set ("Angus...") works just fine if it's applied AFTER I've recorded the guitar dry, why should it NOT work when I'm recording with the effect? I.e., I don't need a special double guitar plug for my Firepod for the effect to work on the signal it HAS recorded; so why should the special double plug be necessary WHILE recording? Meanwhile, 2) given that this is a GUITAR effect (Angus Young playing his Gibson SG through a 1959 Marshall Stack), and guitars always have mono output, then how can it be that Logic, by design, should require users to buy a special stereo plug when using effect-sets specifically designed for guitar? .... That's why I'm perplexed. I do think your two suggestions will work; but it just seems impossible to me that Logic is actually designed to work in this way -- at least not on purpose. On the other hand, I'm a newbie, and I may be missing something that's obvious. Sure would appreciate hearing whether it seems to people that there's a problem with my set-up (or with Logic), or whether the physical stereo-plug solution is actually a well-known practice that I am simply not familiar with. Many thanks!

You have recorded only one chanel on a stereo track.
Use a second input on your firepod or use mono ->
stereo plugins on a mono track to hear them in stereo.




dual g5 Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Feb 15, 2006 10:54 PM in response to frankenfurter

There is no problem. Just make sure when recording a mono source (like a guitar) that the track is set to mono, with a single input (not a pair.) The waveform with bumps only on the top is a stereo track, with nothing recorded on the right side. You had the track set to stereo. In the Arrange Window, a track can be set to stereo or mono by clicking the little circle at the bottom of the channel strip on the left side of the screen. When set to mono, you'll only have a single input. When set to stereo, you'll have an input pair.

Note, also. Effects are not recorded. So if you record an electric guitar on a mono track, with mono-stereo fx on the inserts, you'll still get a mono file. Only the dry, mono signal gets recorded.

There's nothing wrong with your Firebox, and you never need to plug a mono source into both inputs. You don't need to buy aything else.


(guitars don't always have a mono output, but most do)

Feb 16, 2006 12:37 AM in response to tele_player

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I really appreciate the detailed reply. I'll check right now to be sure, but I'm sure this solves it!

There is no problem. Just make sure when recording a
mono source (like a guitar) that the track is set to
mono, with a single input (not a pair.) The waveform
with bumps only on the top is a stereo track, with
nothing recorded on the right side. You had the track
set to stereo. In the Arrange Window, a track can be
set to stereo or mono by clicking the little circle
at the bottom of the channel strip on the left side
of the screen. When set to mono, you'll only have a
single input. When set to stereo, you'll have an
input pair.

Note, also. Effects are not recorded. So if you
record an electric guitar on a mono track, with
mono-stereo fx on the inserts, you'll still get a
mono file. Only the dry, mono signal gets recorded.

There's nothing wrong with your Firebox, and you
never need to plug a mono source into both inputs.
You don't need to buy aything else.


(guitars don't always have a mono output, but most do)

if guitar effects are on during recording, they record only to left side

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