changing outgoing server timeout in Mail

Is there a way to increase the timeout period for the outgoing server in Mail. I am having problems with mail not being sent. This happens only in Mail. My Mozilla mail client is working fine. My ISP suggested I increase the timeout setting in Mail but I can't find a preference for this. Would this be a job for the Terminal or is there an easier way to do this?

Pismo 400 / 17" 1 GHz imac G4/ Bondi Rev B, Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Posted on Feb 15, 2006 8:50 AM

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Feb 15, 2006 9:08 AM in response to John61254

John,

Is it possible the timeout is due to an unnecessary attempt to further authenticate the SMTP server? Please consider the following:

I am pasting in some general comments, I often offer, to explain all the questions I ask about server authentication -- it may help clarify how you are attempting to authenticate the SMTP to use. If you give me a link to the support document for this from your provider, I can sometimes pick up subtle things in the instructions that you might not.

There are some ISP who even provide two different SMTPs -- one for use when at your home venue, and another when traveling. The one for use at home is not authenticated by password, but by the IP address of the modem, and it is further pointed out that the second one (authenticated by password) will NOT work when at home -- this is platform and mail client universal, and not limited to Macs and Mail. The one with Password Authentication is needed when on other networks, such as in hotels and cafes. But not all practicing this form of home system authentication are so explicit in their description.

When authentication of the SMTP is what is called POP3 before SMTP (or SMTP after POP3), no user name is appended to the name of the SMTP, and some providers will explicitly direct that SMTP authentication be set to None, but others may be less explicit, depending instead on samples of setting up an account in a common mail client such as Outlook Express and as you are seeing with Mozilla (Thunderbird?). There are not exact parallels in the dialogues for this between every mail client and Mail, but it can be interpreted, with care. In the SMTP after POP3 type of authentication, the redundant step of separate authentication of the SMTP apparently times out and fails, rather than explicitly being refused access.

When the name of the incoming and outgoing servers seem the same, it can often be that SMTP after POP3 authentication is being used, but not always.

This can also result with cable broadband providers, who can authenticate you for sending, based upon the IP address in the modem they provided you.

Please clarify your thoughts and need to authenticate the SMTP you are using as the Outgoing Server. Perhaps you should test with None as the method of authenticating the Outgoing server.

Ernie

Feb 15, 2006 9:18 AM in response to John61254

Thank you. I must admit you lost me a little with some of your lingo, but let me just say that my outgoing mail server is already set to "none" for authentication.
I am really suspecting my ISP of changing something.
I can receive emails fine, and I can send emails as long as the suffix is my server's (e.g., say my server suffix is xxx.net; I can send mail to anybody with this suffix in their address, but other suffixes are refused.
My incoming and outgoing servers are the same (mail.xxx.net).
Things were working fine a couple days ago, but began acting up last night (on one machine running Mail) and now are doing the same on another machine using Mozilla's email client.

Feb 15, 2006 9:47 AM in response to John61254

John,

As you now further describe, it certainly seems like something on the part of your ISP, assuming your ISP, and provider of the mail servers are the same people (even though of the same name, Incoming and Outgoing are actually different servers).

How are you connected: router and modem, or modem only? Cabled or wireless? There is another factor that can cause what you observe -- if using ethernet rather than wireless, then ask your ISP what MTU (maximum transmission unit) they recommend using. If they respond with something lower than 1500, then we can make a change. If using a router, what brand?

Keep me posted.

Ernie

May 16, 2006 8:23 AM in response to Ernie Stamper

Hi there,

Mail has been working fine, then this morning, it's stopped sending messages - stating i need to quit Mail or reset network settings.

I have quit many times and restarted the computer, checked the settings but still no joy.
Note :I can receive mail.
I'm working wirelessly through a linksys router.
Any clues to why SMTP server won't send emails??

Thanks
Si

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