Q: tiger install workaround needed
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Jan 23, 2012 6:51 AMby Limnos,I have never used Pacifist but somehow I don't think what you are thinking of trying will work. I get the impression Pacifistr is like the old OS9 Tomeviewer where you will just see a collection of files. You then have to make sure they all end up in the right places with the correct permissions, etc. which would be a true nightmare. Pacifist is usually used to pull out individual files or applications.
The OS could be very different if one computer was a PPC Mac and the other an Intel Mac. You just say "iMac" which covers about 10+ years, and "laptop" which covers probably 15+ years. I assume you are sure these models will run Tiger.
We don't know anything about the discs other than they are not retail. For which model Mac were they supplied?
Another aspect of this is legality (since you are asking this question on Apple's own web site). Machine specific discs are by licensing only supposed to be installed on the machine with which they were supplied. If you want to upgrade a machine you're supposed to use retail discs.
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Jan 23, 2012 7:16 AMby djcartel,It's an old PowerBook G4 which is becoming virtually useless with Panther and I read that these machines can handle OS up to 10.5 . . . I have Installers for Tiger 10.4.2 and it is my understanding that one is allowed to install bought and paid for Operating Systems on a Laptop as well as one's iMac.
It is my understanding that is legitimate use having read that many times before. Of course I may be wrong.
If Apple want to come get me for trying to keep the Powerbook useful - I really do not care an iota : )
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Jan 23, 2012 7:51 AMby Limnos,The discs and system that come with a computer are considered by Apple to be integral to that particular machine in order to make it a complete operable package. Apple does not, for example, sell any computer without an operating system. People do sell their old computers without discs, and often sell their discs when they think they no longer need them (wrong - the original discs have diagnostic software for that model), but this is against licensing. Hence machine specific discs as "keepers" for the computer and retail version discs for those who want to upgrade away from the original package.
The one variation is with the newest OS Lion where you can install it on multiple machines (5 I believe), and of course there are no system discs at all with any computer.
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Jan 23, 2012 7:56 AMby Limnos,Please post the URL so we can read that in context. If you got it from http://store.apple.com/us/question/answers/product/MD256Z/A?pqid=Q7X7UKT7AHX9TPA Y4UYYPPT7YUDDPPYYU it specifically mentions Lion. The poster also did not say if that was a direct quote or paraphrase. The person posting that section is just another Mac user like us and unless they are quoting then I don't know if I can reply upon them to correctly interpret an agreement.
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Jan 23, 2012 8:57 AMby djcartel,Apple do not sell 10.4.2 so I can not buy it and hence, trying to find a workaround is the only option I have.
As for the qoute it's a quote from Apple written by them on their apple store.
Whether it relates to Tiger I do not know as a search for Tiger on their site yields no results anymore.
To be honest though I really do not care : ) Child labour is illegal but that never stopped Apple employing them in their production workforce and if I can not buy something legally then one has no choice.
I merely want to use a bought and paid for machine with a bought and paid for OS and there's nothing wrong with that . . . if Apple make that impossible to do legally - then that's their fault - not mine Sir
Eventually I am sure I will find a way by trial and error of some sorts.
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Jan 23, 2012 10:34 AMby kurt188,If you want a retail Tiger install disc for a Mac, the best option is to look on eBay or Craigslist. I've seen them for as low as $25, sometimes less. Otherwise, the only other option is to obtain one illegally, via a popular torrent site that I can't mention. It's out there, because I've seen it.
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Jan 23, 2012 10:37 AMby Limnos,Apple do not sell 10.4.2 so I can not buy it and hence, trying to find a workaround is the only option I have.
They don't sell it and it annoys many of us. Still, if that's what they decide, they own the rights of distribution. It is possible to find used Tiger retail discs.
As for the qoute it's a quote from Apple written by them on their apple store.
Yes, and I asked for a URL so I could read it myself. As I pointed out, it may be the agreement for Lion which uses a very different agreement.
Whether it relates to Tiger I do not know as a search for Tiger on their site yields no results anymore.
Indeed. One downside to Apple's forward thinking approach is they quickly ignore the old. Owners of old machines have learned to live with it. Then too I can also say I have never bought anything from Apple (every Mac I have ever owned was used, second or even third hand) so I can't blame them if they are not supporting my equipment.
To be honest though I really do not care : )
On the do not care thing, well, you come on Apple's very own site an ask us to help you break the law, especially as it directly relates to Apple products. It honestly wouldn't surpise me if this whole topic got taken down since it is basically asking us to describe means of circumventing protection Apple has put in place to protects its products, and that is direct violation of the Terms Of Use to which we all agreed. Secondly, it is turning into a topic discussing Apple policies and practices which is also in violation of the TOU.
Child labour is illegal but that never stopped Apple employing them in their production workforce
The labor dispute has nothing to do with this other than you grasping at straws trying to justify breaking the law. Even if Apple did have any legal violations (and by whose laws; and it isn't Apple's factory, it is a subcontractor), does that make it right for you to break the law? Even if you stole from a thief, you would be a thief too. You do have a choice and an easy way to do it legally. Buy a used retail set of discs.
I merely want to use a bought and paid for machine with a bought and paid for OS and there's nothing wrong with that . . . if Apple make that impossible to do legally - then that's their fault
As I already said, there is a way to do it legally. And it's not their fault, it's yours for buying equipment before you investigated the limitations to what you could do with it and how.
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Jan 24, 2012 9:18 AMby djcartel,It is possible to find used Tiger retail discs. Yes maybe but I have always - and will continue to always buy direct from the source or not at all. I do not trust resellers who are dubious and not authorized. When I find websites that claim to be official Adobe Resllers of CS5 I am not tempted to buy from them because they are generaly 100% fake frauds and thus need to be avoided.
ask us to help you break the law - That's just not true is it : ) I never made such a request and since Apple claim they have no involvement in these forums as they are meant for user to user discussions I deem Apple to be irrelevant in such discussions. I am not asking Apple Employees or Reps. I was asking for help and advice from other users. I needed help and workarounds to get Logic Studio working since the install discs created problems. Other users helped me with that and I used Pacifist to repair the installation, that is not illegal and from that I was able to help other users who encountered that same problem. This issue is exactly the same thing.
circumventing protection Apple has put in place to protects its products - it no longer offers this product so there is nothing for it to protect anymore - Apple deem the products to be obsolete, no longer supported, apple do not care about these products - they are effectively dead and buried as far as they are concerned.
Secondly, it is turning into a topic discussing Apple policies and practices which is also in violation of the TOU. WhichSir is the direction that you chose to take the topic and I have politely responded - I merely could not understand why the discs would not install and wanted to know how I could solve the issue, that is why I asked other users for advice.
justify breaking the law - I did not justify breaking laws - I merely pointed out a little Irony about the matter which was meant to be light hearted but let's remember Apple did make the admission that they had been guilty as charged and that is a fact. The point is that if I could buy the discs from Apple then I would but I can't and so . . . rather than throw away an expensive machine I merely wanted to find a way to keep it useful and working effectively and that's just common sense basics.
Even if you stole from a thief, you would be a thief too - Well I can assure you I have never stolen anything from anyone and that's just a hypothetical event you chose to use to insult me and that's just a cheap shot.
And it's not their fault, it's yours for buying equipment before you investigated the limitations to what you could do with it and how. You Sir are so wrong. Apple choose to support or not support, to sell or not to sell, to enable use or destroy it and in this case, they decided to make the OS unavailable and they chose to ditch PPC and hence kill off these products. No one asked Apple to drop support, they do so to maximize profits just like any other business does and they are well within their rights to do so.
When we buy Apple products we never know how long they will be supported and none of us know what Apple plan to be doing next. I did not know that Apples Mirror Agent would cause my iMac Hard Drive to crash and burn at great cost and expense to myself and nor did I expect to pay £800 for a Lab Data Recovery bill but that happened. Apple denied all blame and treated me with utter contempt and I did not know that would happen either but it did. When I subscribed to MobileMe I never knew it would never operate as it should and I never predicted that I was just going to be wasting my money for services not supllied but that happened. I never knew that some of Logics features would fail when I purchased the Studio but they did and yes, I had to live with that failure like many others do.
Also you assume knowledge that I bought the Powerbook and you are wrong on that count as well. It was a gift for which I was grateful, regardless of its limitations Sir.
It honestly wouldn't surpise me if this whole topic got taken down - Fine, let it be, no one would care anyway and if that's the case then no further discussion is needed or neccessary.
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Jan 24, 2012 9:30 AMby kurt188,I don't know what country you're in, but in the U.S., I did a search on eBay for Mac OS X Tiger
You may find similar results in your country, too. But there may be other options, so if you make your email address visible for a few minutes, I could send you email about that.
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Jan 24, 2012 5:53 PMby Ronda Wilson,The install discs for an iMac, even if it is an iMac of the same vintage as the PowerBook, probably won't work because it would make the PowerBook "think" it is an iMac (no support for the trackpad, for example).
If you don't have the exact original system discs for the PowerBook, then you need those (highly recommended, so you have the original applications that came on the PowerBook in addition to the OS) and/or the retail disc(s) for Tiger. Be sure the PowerBook meets the requirements.
Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) Requirements
