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Upgrade from snow leopard to lion 10.7.2

Hi all,


I wonder if anyone can help me at all. We currently have three MAC computers in our office, the newest one is running on version 10.6.8 and the other two are 10.5.8. I want to upgrade all of them to the new Lion 10.7.2 so we can have the new server and access all the features that goes with it. I understand that you cannot just do an upgrade from leopard to lion, you have to buy all of the upgrades. Is this correct? Also, do I need to buy all the upgrades for all of the MACS or can I just buy one version of each? Would it be a version of snow leopard, then Lion, the Lion 10.7.2 ?


Hope this makes sense, any help would be much appreciated.


Thanks again,


Andrew

Lion-OTHER, Mac OS X (10.7.2)

Posted on Jan 30, 2012 7:15 AM

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Jan 30, 2012 8:01 AM in response to argo10

argo10 wrote:


We currently have three MAC computers in our office, the newest one is running on version 10.6.8 and the other two are 10.5.8. I want to upgrade all of them to the new Lion 10.7.2



First off you should consider the risks of upgrading to 10.7


1: 10.7 runs poorly or slowly on most older Intel hardware (certainly machines old encough to run 10.5 qualify)


Lion has been tested and it's a hair slower than Snow Leopard.


2: Lion machines also has to be 64 bit Intel processors, not the 32bit Intel Core Duo's. No PowerPC machines.


3: 2GB of RAM is required, but people report 4GB is better.


4: 10.7 will not run a LOT of your 10.5 and 10.6 software, and a lot haven't been upgraded/updated to work with 10.7. This also includes drivers for scanners and printers that some might be a bit older.


You can check this compatibility database


http://roaringapps.com/apps:table


Snow Leopard runs everything from 10.5 and 10.6 because of Rosetta. So all your software should work, perhaps with a minor update each.


5: OS Lion introduces some radical changes in the User Interface that can disrupt your workflow and sanity. 😝



My 20 plus Apple vet/production manager opinion is this, upgrade the 10.5 machines to 10.6.8 and leave things alone.


When you buy new hardware, it will come with 10.7 and then you buy new software to go with it and gradually ease into it, sort of like getting a enema, insert gently. 😉


If you go all radical and change all the machines, your going to be in for quite a bit of pain, not only on the machines, but from the users using them, believe me!




I understand that you cannot just do an upgrade from leopard to lion, you have to buy all of the upgrades. Is this correct? Also, do I need to buy all the upgrades for all of the MACS or can I just buy one version of each? Would it be a version of snow leopard, then Lion, the Lion 10.7.2 ?


You can buy this ($69) and backup, wipe and install. Need one for each machine on 10.5. and you should have one for the 10.6 machine too, but you can download Lion $29 from the 10.6.8 AppStore instead, no USB copy.


http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD256Z/A



Snow Leopard $29 install/upgrade disks are here


http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A



Again, I suggest you just upgrade the 10.5 Intel machines to 10.6, it's less expensive, it's stable and it works faster than 10.5 or 10.7 in tests.


Save Lion for new hardware and software upgrades when they arrive.

Jan 30, 2012 8:00 AM in response to Haricot

thanks for your reply, the main reason was because we wanted to set-up a server where any user could log in to their own space on any of the computers, set-up user accounts and track what is done etc on each computer as it is for business use. I just came across this feature now available in Lion. Is there any other way to do that at all?


thanks again


Andrew

Jan 30, 2012 8:11 AM in response to argo10

argo10 wrote:


thanks for your reply, the main reason was because we wanted to set-up a server where any user could log in to their own space on any of the computers, set-up user accounts and track what is done etc on each computer as it is for business use. I just came across this feature now available in Lion. Is there any other way to do that at all?


There is software for Snow Leopard that does this, your not the first to need it. I don't know what or where, you'll have to search for answers, Leopard and Snow Leopard had the most third party software written for them, unlike Lion which was just released.


You would be taking a dangerous risk upgrading older hardware and lack of current software versions for 10.7, just to get one feature Lion provides. You'll likely lose your job in the process unless you got everyone back on 10.6.8 in a hurry.


Your in charge of a busness machines that are vital to be operational, even though it might not have all the bells and whistles of newer hardware/software versions.


You must make sure things are working perfectly and introduce change slowly to cause as little disruption as possible.


You can do what you like and not heed my advice, but please post where your job is so I can step in and take it from you when you fail. 🙂

Jan 30, 2012 8:28 AM in response to argo10

argo10 wrote:


thanks for your reply, the main reason was because we wanted to set-up a server where any user could log in to their own space on any of the computers, set-up user accounts and track what is done etc on each computer as it is for business use. I just came across this feature now available in Lion. Is there any other way to do that at all?


The skill set you require to do this might have to be hired from the outside, as it gets rather technical. Likely a Network Access Server would be needed.


Your asking here which shows you don't have the educational background in such matters.


It's no problem, neither do I, but I've come to realize when I don't know anything and to call in the more specialized folks and then review my options before messing up a business workflow.


Those computers have been on 10.5 for a long time, there has to be a reason for that which you need to tread carefully and spend some time talking to others and formulating a cost/action plan before inflicting drastic consequences, change one machine, then another etc and keep everything stable or risk your job.


I told you what I've learned aobut Lion, so that's a start.


Good Luck 🙂

Jan 30, 2012 9:40 AM in response to argo10

argo10 wrote:


thanks for your detailed reply it is much appreciated, do you know if there is such a way of setting up a network where you can take all your information with you from computer to computer via your login details and user priviliges etc without upgrading to Lion at all?



Same computers on local area network your looking at a Network Access Server, where all the user created files are stored there and then accessed by any machine at any time. Permissions can be set on folders for access.


But if your refering to particular account changes, like your wallpaper, settings, programs. log in etc., no that's not possible due to licensing issues, a copy of third software is for each machine only and it would take too long to log in and download from the server anyway.


What it sounds like to me is you want to turn the Macs into dumb terminals, where you log in on any machine and everything is running off the server like it's your personal floating account.


That can be done, but on Windows/Linux and the server has to be very powerful, like a mainframe, to support the CPU requires of all the terminals. You'll also need a very fast network to transfer the data to each machine from the mainframe, like what superclusters use.


Since you can only place Fiberchannel PCI cards in MacPro's, all your machines have to be that to do it.


iCloud isn't a option because it relies upon Apple servers and won't work like you expect, if your Internet connection goes down then you won't be able to access your data and your business workflow stops. Also ISP's restrict the upload speed to a fraction of the download speed to prevent you from doing such a thing. So the only thing iCloud can handle is small details as the upload speed will be too slow to be acceptable. So your back to having a LAN or data on each machine like before.


A local Network Access Server and keep everyone's shared files there, but accounts, it's details, customization and programs all have to reside on each individual machine because regular LANs, WIfi etc are too slow and all your CPU power is on the computers themselves.


Clearly the skills required to set something like a NAS is outside of Apple's consumer focused area, Apple has discontinued the X-Server, so your looking at a Mac Mini Server, or a outside Windows/Linux solution that caters to business.


Apple is a luxury consumer products company, they have been gravitating away from being a full computer company for quite some time.


The X-RAID and X-Server is gone, the MacPro is on life support and hasn't seen a update, the latest Final Cut Pro X is a industry nightmare and the Pro's are moving to Avid instead.


It's clear if you have this sort of need, that Apple cannot help you. The solution is to call a local Windows PC businees specialist to set up such a NAS network for you.


Microsoft caters to business needs, there is a whole industry centered around it, Apple caters to consumers needs and changes stuff often. You can use Apple hardware for a time, but eventually it's going to place constraints as the business has new needs and Apple doesn't remain flexible to accomondate business needs.


I guess you could learn how to set up a Mini server, but to handle all those Mac's is a bit much for it I would say, you'll have to talk to someone knowledgable about such things if it's feasible or not. The restriction is the only one choice of hardware and it's not very powerful at all.


Like I've said before, Apple dumped the powerful X-Server as people were not buying it, so your looking at a Linux/Windows server solution and a specialist.

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