10.0.3 DISASTEROUS

Rob A. wrote:

There also appears to be a stability relationship between Lion and what version EFI you have. You may also want to try Mountain Lion (developer preview) as an experiment (if you have spare Mac that you don't mind trashing) ...

I mentioned something similar a couple of months ago and was roundly dissed by the pundits on this board. I didn't realize it was an EFI version that was causing a problem but did notice certain hardware revisions (newer) of a given model were less stable than older counter parts. This was specifically in regards to iMacs and laptops running Lion and FCPX.

I think this is a fundimental issue.

@BROOKLYNTREEZ thanks for the breakout of your gear and your added food for thought on finding solutions. My question, do you give any credit to the fact that you have SSD boot drives in most of your rigs? I'm assuming you swapped out whatever rotational HD came with those Macs. Did you do this right away or after performance issues? Just curious which exact one you have in that MBP? I know in editing we are not writing to the internal drive but seems like a SSD would add performance and certainly be more stable for someone who travels and edits while in less-than-optimum situations. Only drawback seems to be cost and size. I'd have to go down from a 750GB 7200 HD to maybe a 500GB or less SSD. But if it means the SSD is a HUGE factor in eliminating lag and sync issues then I would consider it. If it's only so the machine will boot faster I'm not so in a rush to swap out my HD. Anyway, I can go back to FCP7 for awhile, I put it back on this machine also, but now that I've done a project in X (excruciating but limped across the finish line) I'd love to get it working seamlessly.

@BROOKLYNTREEZ - i too want to know about the reason for the SSD's and if in fact there is a major bonus in this configuration. i know for one, i like the idea and i plan to buy that optional drive kit and take my optical drive out and put a nice big ole esata drive in there to use as an internal media drive . . nice idea from OWC since i use an external BRD burner already and thus have an optical drive. however, if the SSD does wonders ima put the SSD where the HDD is of the 268 Gb version.

btw, does anyone know if one can rig an internal drive like that to shut down rotating if it isn't used for like 15 mins or so? that way the data drive can roll down if not hitting it for a while like when surfing the internet. :-)

How can I revert back to 10.0.2. 10.0.3 is slower than Final Cut Pro 3 on my Power PC.

Just dig out the old copy of 10.0.2 you stored safely away.

If you didn't you should be able to find a copy on Time Machine.

Note that you will not be able to work with any projects that have been updated to 10.0.3

" if it were not that way, they would have left the fcp forums up for folks to keep exchanging ideas and the like."

I've heard this once or twice recently. But the Final Cut Studio and Final Cut Server forums are stil alive and people are still posting there. Am I missing something?

pagecrew/ Penn-Ohio

I did not give enough credit to the SSD's. I have OWC SSD's (120GB) in the towers and a Apple stock SSD (120GB) in the MBP. I have been using them for years now and honestly I cant imagine ever going back to a regular drive. They are only boot drives, and the speed is very noticable. everything is really snappy and responsive. It even restarts in 10 seconds from the chime. I use regular drives for my projects and media, so I cannot determine whether this is a major factor for X but it certainly wont hurt your workflow. Others have reported that adding a SSD really helps X. Trim support is only available for apple SSD's, but there is a way I found to turn it on through terminal with a non apple SSD.

If you can afford it, GET IT! You wont look back!

When buying SSD's, I'd avoid buying from Apple ... go to NewEgg or OWC. SSD's sadly still have wide variance in performance so you'll need to do your homework/research before purchasing. On some older MacPros, SSD will only work in Bay1 and Bay2.

SSD do help if you are working in large files (especially in ProRes HQ) ... this can be said for Adobe, FCP7, FCPX regardless of how much RAM you have. Many of my HD footage even when only 15 minutes long will be an 88GB file.

And if you do a lot of uncompressed capturing direct to your drive, then SSD becomes even more important ... I need and use an SSD that can sustain minimum 225 MB/sec ... I'm less concerned about access times as they are almost always much faster than rotational Hard drive. Setting up SSD in a RAID configuration has provided mixed results so I typically get an SSD that doesn't need to be (has the xfer rates I need) setup in a RAID.

Rob

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BROOKLYNTREEZ wrote:

pagecrew/ Penn-Ohio

...... Trim support is only available for apple SSD's, but there is a way I found to turn it on through terminal with a non apple SSD. If you can afford it, GET IT! You wont look back!

ok im sold on the SSD from a pure speed issue (forget fcp x for now till its a mainliner . . while i continue my research on avid media composer.) i called my apple store for a drive but they said apple doesn't make any drives at all, they are all thrid party. so, ima go with one from newegg. the one i like is a samsung 512gb at 720 bux that has the lowest power consumption of em all (i love mac's battery life) and with the owc kit, ima convert the optical drive slot to another 512gb SSD so i have an on board data and WIP media drive like i use externals for and thus no more need to process externally. i might even pop for a 700+ ssd if i can convince myself to pay a grand for a drive.

btw, what is this trim feature you are talking about "BROOKLYNTREEZ" ? and why would i want or need it ?

SSD's can slow down over time due to the way the memory blocks are written. Trim feature restores the drive to keep it running at the original speed. Apple did not support Trim until recently, but only for Apple installed SSD's, there is a work around where you can activate the Trim functionality through terminal.

http://www.storagereview.com/how_enable_trim_nonapple_ssd

enjoy your new hyper speed mac.

BROOKLYNTREEZ wrote:

SSD's can slow down over time due to the way the memory blocks are written. Trim feature restores the drive to keep it running at the original speed. Apple did not support Trim until recently . . . there is a work around where you can activate the Trim functionality through terminal.

http://www.storagereview.com/how_enable_trim_nonapple_ssd

enjoy your new hyper speed mac.

thanks for that input. i most certainly will take care of that matter when i make the move on the drives. i already am enjoying the hyper mac and its performance. as i mentioned earlier, it cut through 3 cam multcam just as fast and exported qt and burned a dvd via the external usb unit just as fast as my macpro with dual quad core 2.8ghz xeons and that is saying a lot . . however . . with a lot less power, space, and of course noise (not that the macpro is noisy but certainly lounder than the silent mbp :-) btw, the two new drives are lighter and consume less power than the current rotating single by 50 - 60% and i will now have over a terrabyte of total storage on board although i will only have os, apps, email and internet cache on the primary drive, all "documents" style media will be on the 2nd drive more than likely and with a 2tb external both drives will be backed up once a week.

now how to get everything OS and app wise on the MBP internal drive onto the SSD drive cuz i doubt the Norton drive utility will work on a mac.

Check what controller the SSD uses, Trim support can be irrelevant on some SSDs as the controller handles it. Most newer SSD's have no need for Trim support. But again, make sure you research the SSD and what controller it uses.

Also be careful as some SSD manufacturers are essentially running the memory too fast to increase performance at the cost of reliability.

Also do NOT use any utilities to defragment an SSD, this will reduce it's lifespan and is not necessary.

Problem with that quote from Justice O'Connor is that:

Truth

Respectful

Civil

are all relative and subjective to the individual.

One's truth is another's fallacy. However, I'm not exactly sure of the relevance of your quote in this thread? Not that it has to be relevant as I'm not one of those who cares about thread divergence ... I'm a big boy I can filter out what I need or even muse at what I don't need -- that's the Internet. If anything, Internet discussion forum often brings out how people really feel, right, wrong, or just not relevant -- it's freedom of speech/expression.

Suppression of information/opions under the guise of "being offended" (or violation of terms of agreement) has kept many a truths buried to "protect" -- who they actually protect, well that's a different discussion ... 😉

Anyway, back on target with 10.0.3 ... I thought reseting my preferences had solved this bug, but it has returned ... drag and drop into sequence does nothing?? If I exit FCPX and restart, the drag and drop will work for a few times then just stop working again. OMG, come on Apple ... this is pretty freakin' obvious bug!