Hi @all,
my good old kitchen G3 PowerPc can't connect to Wlan anymore.
I installed a new Router, all other Devices still could connect.
It's bgn mixed. I tried only bg, doesn't work either.
Same wireless settings like before, on the old router.
But this time, it just won't connect. I dont now why, please help! :-)
Thats the only msg i got:
Firmware Airport: 9.52
iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
I am not very good at German, but it looks to me that your error message says something like "Logging in to the Airport Network has caused an error to occur."
Have you checked the security (password method) of your login to the new router? I think the older G3 computers might be only able to use WEP, not WPA. Maybe one thing to try is to start with your router "open" (no password security at all) and see if the G3 can connect. Then try implementing security passwords to see if the G3 can still connect. Start with WEP, then try WPA if you get that far.
Another approach is to connect the G3 to the router directly with an ethernet cable, just to establish that the internet does work that way with the G3. Then try what I suggest above.
Some questions: what type of airport card do you have in the G3? Is it 802.11b only? I believe that all iMac PPC G3 computers had only 802.11b but nothing higher than that. If it is 802.11b only, try setting the router to 802.11b only to see if that helps any. You can also try to specify the channel number on the router or change it to another channel in case there is some interference.
Indeed, 10.4.11 is even able to use WPA2. At least
First, thanks steve626 for your help.
Indeed, 10.4.11 is even able to use WPA2. At least i could select/configure it, but that doesnt mean it works correct. :-) Maybe the airport card doesnt support it, i dont know. So I tried it without any security, tried with a b-only network, doesnt work eather. Chancing the Channel makes no difference at all.
So i still cant get a connection.
The Airport Cards Firmeware is 9.52.
With the old router or a private network created with a macbook, it works immediately fine.
Wired isnt an option in this case. But works, by the way too!
Could it be something with the channel width the airport card prefered, an the router doesnt "serve"...??
Any further suggestions?
Not being familiar with your router (is it a Linksys?), I'm not sure what options it presents you with.
I have a Linksys router WRT160N that in principle suppports b, g and n networking speeds, all at once or separately. However I found that the "Channel Width" setting of "auto (20MHz or 40MHz)", while it "should" work with the combination of old and new computers we have on this network, in practice provided a poor connection. The best setting was "20 MHz," which is a narrower channel width and hence fewer bits/sec, but is very reliable, and supports 54 Mb/s (g speed) and also 130 MB/s (n speed) on the same network very solidly.
The Linksys user guide stated: "
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I have WIreless-N computers and one Wireless-G (my iMac G5 PPC), but my experience was that the above instructions were not correct and only setting the width to 20 MHz resulted in the highest speeds and very reliable connections.
By the way, the Belkin router I had before this Linksys one didn't offer this "channel width" choice at all, so like you, I was perplexed for a few days after getting the new one and finding a less reliable connection, until at least I tried this narrower channel bandwidth. I am wondering if something like that is going on for you ...
You may want to explore settings on your new router that the old router didn't have. If those new settings are configured in such a way that the older computer is compromised, the trick will be to figure out how to set them so it works with both older and newer computers. In my case it was easy, but I don't know what your setting choices are.
Some of the older G3 computers cannot use WPA2, some can -- it sounds like yours can. And you have found that the security method isn't a factor anyway. Sometimes it's simpler to just turn off security when experimenting as it removes that variable from the mix.
Hi Steve,
thanks again.
Its not the Bandwidth of the Channel, i tried both. Either way, i dont want set to 20MHz because of my "N-Clients".
But, if i disable the security, i'm in now. Please dont ask why, i dont know, i changed nothing.
I got an IP an get connection to the WAN. Yippie!
So, never the less, without security! With WPA and WPA2 still the same Error.
EDIT: I forgot, i got now a new Msg thats says "its the wrong password" but its definitly not wrong.
Is there an character limitation with WPA maybe?
It's a TL-WR1043ND by TP-Link. Here 2 Screenshots to show the possible settings.
There isn't much to mess with actually...
Hi,
i found no solution so far.
Maybe someone knows, whether the router only can serve only WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK?
If i choose "automatic" i think the router selects automatically, based on the wireless station's capability and requests. Am i wrong? Can there be only one Version, WPA or WPA2??
thanks a lot, again..
A few questions:
* Have you EVER successfully used either WPA or WP2 on this G3 older Mac and a wireless router? The reason I ask is that some older airport cards were not capable of using WPA or WPA2. Of course, if you used WPA or WPA2 with the previous router, this is not an issue. By the way, being able to select WPA or WPA2 from a pulldown menu does not mean your old airpport card can successfully connect with it. That's why I am asking if you ever have used WPA or WPA2 with this Mac in the past. Some wireless cards may be capable of WPA but not WPA2, for instance.
* Try WEP security, to help narrow things down. (WEP is not good security, but this is simply to try to better understand things).
* Some routers and computers have "WPA/WPA2" as one setting, others allow them to separately selected. I would avoid most of those "Automatic" options (I see several others in your screen shot) when using an older Mac (G3) because the older airport cards had limitations that the newer routers may not be aware of. They may "automatically" choose something that might normally be optimal for a newer computer but isn't doable with an older airport card. What model/make/year is your computer?
An aside, selecting 20MHz bandwidth still allows N wireless, it is just up to 130 Mbs, not the fastest 300 Mbs. However, 300 Mbs can be impossible to achieve in a crowded wireless setting (lots of routers nearby), and often 130 Mbs is the best attainable.
G3 PowerPc can't connect to Wlan since i changed to new Router..
