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  • 45. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    Drew Reece (Re:co) Level 2 Level 2 (310 points)

    xtremecarbon wrote:

     

    Just don't update your OS then. You don't HAVE to go to 10.7 or 10.8 if what is offered doesn't fit your needs.

     

     

    MobileMe isn't available after June 2012. iCloud support hasn't been announced for 10.6. If you want to use the same syncing features for your calendar, contacts & bookmarks you have little choice…

     

    1. Use Lion & iCloud
    2. Convert to iCloud & don't use it on any pre-10.7 Mac.
    3. Take your data elsewhere for MS Exchange or Google to sync it with the Mac & iOS devices.

     

    I'd hoped sticking with the same service since iTools would mean I didn't need to pay for services hosted with Microsoft technology, but it seems there is only so much Apple is willing to do. Google are also being creepy at the moment too.

     

    In the space of 1 year Apple made a paid for service free & discontinued support for users on the last OS. Apple still provide iCloud support for Windows Vista, released in November 2006, Snow Leopard came out in August 2009.

     

     

    Making Lion 'fit our needs' by removing previously paid for features from 10.6 is very poor behaviour.

     

    PS.

    Someone please point me to 10.6 info and iCloud, I really want to be proved wrong.

  • 46. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    Drew Reece (Re:co) wrote:

     

    PS.

    Someone please point me to 10.6 info and iCloud, I really want to be proved wrong.

    There is none. And there was none in Lion 10.7  10.7.1   It was released in 10.7.2 and that is that. If you want iCloud go to Lion, if you don't require it, use whatever system you want. The entire world is changing in respect to information technology and computing. This is just one more step. All you can do is tell Apple and hope for some reason they listen to you.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • 47. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    papalapapp Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Terence, power-users are those of us who use their mac beyond twittering. We use and need our Mac every day for things that are important and essential in our lives e.g. earning money for paying our house, groceries, and our childrens education. An efficient workflow is a key component of our macuser-existence to master all the tasks. We can't afford to swipswap and learn everything all over again and again. Consistancy is very important.

     

    All that is the point what made me love my mac. Everything was much easier, consistent and more efficient than on a PC. It just worked. Without getting in the way.

     

    And now... clutterfication comes in as the iPad stuff is added to the Mac. It wants my attention and uses CPU power for silly graphics. And all that is called "Simplification" and "most advanced". Yay!

     

    Of course some things have to be cut of like the really useful "Save As" menu. Why? Is "Dublicate + Save + Close" simpler? Maybe, but also less useful.

  • 48. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    vea1083 Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    Well, when I first read about Mountain Lion this morning in PCWorld I thought it was a joke. Then I went to the Apple website and found that this thing was real. I cannot describe how mad I was when I read that 10.8 would be released this summer. I mean, I downgraded from Lion to SL due to the poor integration of the Automatic Grpahics Switching function in the mid-2010 MacBook Pro, it would beachball in Safari and crash the whole system, the same beachball would crash my Mac at the log in screen. After 7 months, 2 visits to the Apple Store, 3 hardware diagnostic tests, and 7 clean installs of OSX Lion; I decided to fire the cat from my computer and go back to SL. I have to say that my Mac has been very stable since going back to SL and it has not given me any kind of issues in regards to graphics issues or freezes.

     

    Now my problem with Mountain Lion is that it means the end of Snow Leopard Security Updates. I was thinking remaining in Snow Leopard until at least the end of this year since I was hoping for a "every-other-year" release schedule for OSX, and meant that my MacBook Pro would stay safe from security threats and still get some good Apple branded software that is compatible with SL (namely Final Cut Pro X). By having Mountain Lion in the picture, Apple will most definitively force users to upgrade by removing Snow Leopard support to their Applications and probably deprecating some APIs to force third party developers to abandon software development for Snow Leopard. I do hope this is not the case and Apple keeps releasing OSX Snow Leopard security updates until at least the end of 2012. However, what is more worrying is what Phill Schiller said to a reporter a few days in the press. He said that OSX will go into an "iOS-esque year-to-year update schedule" meaning that we'll now see OSX 10.8 in 2012, 10.9 in 2013, 10.10 in 2014, and so forth. This relentless update schedule while exciting for some Apple fans, it also highlights the fact that Apple is shifting their focus from Pro and Power users to a more "mass consumer" orientation. For the vast majority of consumers that use OSX just to browse the web and watch YouTube videos, email, and do social networking, OS stability is not a great issue for them, however to power users and pro consumers OS stability is paramount. In my honest opinion, I think that this year to year strategy will backfire on Apple, I just can't see users paying $30 dollars each year just because Apple wants to keep the innovation coming, not to mention that most likely the first Core i-Series Macs will most likely be unsupported by the time OSX 10.10 rolls out in 2014 (not to mention that ML will drop support for some Core 2 Duo Macs, and 10.9 will most likely drop any Mac that was manufactured before 2009). Some people like to keep their computer for at least 5 years before buying a new one.

     

    Well that's my take with Mountain Lion (ML for short), the year to year update schedule was the last nail in the Mac coffin for me. I don't think I will be buying another Mac as my next computer. I just can't understand why Apple is always releasing a new OS every year and upgrade each time with the risk of having stability issues with a brand new OS. It feels as if I was paying for problems.

  • 49. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    vea1083 wrote:

     

    Well that's my take with Mountain Lion (ML for short), the year to year update schedule was the last nail in the Mac coffin for me. I don't think I will be buying another Mac as my next computer. I just can't understand why Apple is always releasing a new OS every year and upgrade each time with the risk of having stability issues with a brand new OS. It feels as if I was paying for problems.

    People here have been trying to tell those heading back to Snow Leopard that the future of computing has changed forever, not just with Mac, but Windows as well. There will be a lot of features you won't have to use and keep your machine as a work orientated machine, hiding the iOS interface options, from what I can gather. So apart from dropping PPC support which started some six years ago and was carried in Rosetta as a courtesy to allow people more time to update their programs (even Snow Leopard could not be installed on non-intel machines) then I don't see how Lion can be seen as a backward move and as I have said numerous times today, NOBOBY except Apple themselves will know what will be included or excluded in 10.8.

     

    Read up on Windows new direction to integrate with their upcoming Windows 8 phone. You might not like the news there either!

     

    But life goes on and we just need to retrain ourselves from old habits and enjoy what's to come.

     

    Personally, I can't wait!

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • 50. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    Jeff Kelleher Level 4 Level 4 (3,015 points)

    Wow. There are a lot more Mac users who are terrified that an update will bring the end of OS X than there used to be.

    I remember when OS X replaced OS 9. That was tough for some folks to handle. When it first came out, I installed it on a Mac, found it wasn't going to work for me, and then went back to OS 9 until 10.2 came out and I had a Mac that had hardware to run OS X. Recently, I bought 10.7, installed it, and there was an app I needed that would not run under Lion. So I went back to 10.6. No big deal. If your Mac works, and you depend on it, don't upgrade. I always try the newest version of OS X whenever I can because I like checking out the latest version. But if it doesn't work for me, I don't use it.

    Things change. Take a breath folks.

  • 51. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    Drew Reece (Re:co) Level 2 Level 2 (310 points)

    There is none. And there was none in Lion 10.7  10.7.1   It was released in 10.7.2 and that is that. If you want iCloud go to Lion, if you don't require it, use whatever system you want. The entire world is changing in respect to information technology and computing. This is just one more step. All you can do is tell Apple and hope for some reason they listen to you.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

     

    LOL they never listened before :^)

     

    Change is great but iCloud is nothing new, the difference with MobileMe's Sync is that the 'truth' is on Apple's servers instead of on a Mac. 10.6 can handle this, but Apple says NO to iCloud on 10.6 (iTunes Match works though). I paid for Lion if that helps.

  • 52. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    Drew Reece (Re:co) wrote:

     

    Change is great but iCloud is nothing new, the difference with MobileMe's Sync is that the 'truth' is on Apple's servers instead of on a Mac. 10.6 can handle this, but Apple says NO to iCloud on 10.6 (iTunes Match works though). I paid for Lion if that helps.

    I think you miss the point. Why make new features for new OSs that they are being sold on, and then give all those features to people who didn't bother purchasing the new product? That is called business and that is what keeps the biggest and most innovative companies ahead. You paid for Lion and you would have read you were getting iCloud. Those who did not buy the new product do not get all the new features. It seems fairly straight forward.

     

    Pete

  • 53. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    vea1083 Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    I would agree that you can custom tailor your experience however, this yearly OSX upgrade schedule can force-obsolete a Mac that is only 4 years old. My opinions are based on my personal experience from upgrading to Lion and having far too many issues with that OS compared to SL (which I re installed on my Mac just 2 days ago). Now, Apple wants to give another OS while they have not finished fixing Lion in the first place.

     

    EDIT:

    Forgot to mention that buying a computer every 4 years is a little difficult for cerntain individuals.

     

    Message was edited by: vea1083

  • 54. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    JoeyR Level 6 Level 6 (8,275 points)

    They do listen!  Looks like the "Reopen Windows When Logging Back In" check box is now "unchecked" by default and whichever you choose, the change is persistent until you change it.

     

    It's not a big thing... it was just annoying.  It's a good sign that Apple has been listening and maybe learned some lessons from Lion.

  • 55. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    Drew Reece (Re:co) Level 2 Level 2 (310 points)

    vea1083 wrote:

     

    However, what is more worrying is what Phill Schiller said to a reporter a few days in the press. He said that OSX will go into an "iOS-esque year-to-year update schedule" meaning that we'll now see OSX 10.8 in 2012, 10.9 in 2013, 10.10 in 2014, and so forth.

     

     

    I suspect 2014 will be OS 11, when they paint an extra digit on the dial to make it faster. Not sure we'll all belive it now the RDF is gone.

     

    I feel your pain, but maybe you will be in luck, perhaps 10.8 will fix the issue you are seeing with 10.7.

     

    Personnaly I'd run Apple Hardware Test on that machine & let it run on a loop overnight, it what the genuises do at the store. It should be on the original install DVD, check for tiny boot instructions printed on the grey disk.

  • 56. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (4,205 points)

    vea1083 wrote:

     

    I would agree that you can custom tailor your experience however, this yearly OSX upgrade schedule can force-obsolete a Mac that is only 4 years old. My opinions are based on my personal experience from upgrading to Lion and having far too many issues with that OS compared to SL (which I re installed on my Mac just 2 days ago). Now, Apple wants to give another OS while they have not finished fixing Lion in the first place.

    So isn't that good for all the Lion haters that they are going with another system? There is no proof also that there will be yearly releases of new OSs. Anything can happen in the world of computing. ML may be the best system ever and not need to be replaced. Most people are fine with Lion, and many here have already claimed they are waiting for 10.8 because Lion is no good. So, here comes 10.8.

     

    A lot of fuss over something not even released yet.

     

    I think people should just chill out a bit until more is known.

     

    Pete

     

    And why do you need a new machine every 4 years? This has happened once when 2007 Macs were upgraded to Intel? My old MBP from 2007 with 3GB RAM isn't going anywhere that I know of. It runs Lion fine and hopefully 10.8 as well.

     

    Message was edited by: petermac87

  • 57. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    Jeff Kelleher Level 4 Level 4 (3,015 points)

    My home  Mac is 8+ years old. It still works. It does not run 10.6 or later, but it does what I need. Obsolete? maybe? Still works, does what it did when new, and more? Yes. All computers will be "obsolete" in a couple years if you define obsolete as not being able to run the newest apps.

    Lots of folks are still running XP. If you're upset because Apple is making new products, and your Mac is no longer one of the newest macs....

  • 58. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    vea1083 Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    Drew Reece (Re:co) wrote:

     

    vea1083 wrote:

     

    However, what is more worrying is what Phill Schiller said to a reporter a few days in the press. He said that OSX will go into an "iOS-esque year-to-year update schedule" meaning that we'll now see OSX 10.8 in 2012, 10.9 in 2013, 10.10 in 2014, and so forth.

     

     

    I suspect 2014 will be OS 11, when they paint an extra digit on the dial to make it faster. Not sure we'll all belive it now the RDF is gone.

     

    I feel your pain, but maybe you will be in luck, perhaps 10.8 will fix the issue you are seeing with 10.7.

     

    Personnaly I'd run Apple Hardware Test on that machine & let it run on a loop overnight, it what the genuises do at the store. It should be on the original install DVD, check for tiny boot instructions printed on the grey disk.

    Hi Drew,

     

    At last one person that understands (really, I have gotten very heated responses in my posts about Mtn. Lion at MacRumors). The thing is that although that there might be a chance that Mtn. Lion will fix my issues. It is also highly likely that the new OS will bring additional problems as well. The fact is that I don't find nice that someone pays for an OS that will enhance their user experience only to end up with too many stability problems that disrupt your workflow and waste precious time which is a non-renewable resource.

     

    I don't know I may try 10.8 but right now I can't trust the quality of OSX after my experience with Lion.

     

    Thanks for understanding!

     

    As for the AHT I have also run the version that is included in my restore Applications DVD that were shipped with my Mac, ran the tests 2 times and all the tests were passed with no problems.

  • 59. Re: Interesting - Mac OS X 10.8 "Mountain Lion"
    Drew Reece (Re:co) Level 2 Level 2 (310 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Drew Reece (Re:co) wrote:

     

    Change is great but iCloud is nothing new, the difference with MobileMe's Sync is that the 'truth' is on Apple's servers instead of on a Mac. 10.6 can handle this, but Apple says NO to iCloud on 10.6 (iTunes Match works though). I paid for Lion if that helps.

    I think you miss the point. Why make new features for new OSs that they are being sold on, and then give all those features to people who didn't bother purchasing the new product? That is called business and that is what keeps the biggest and most innovative companies ahead. You paid for Lion and you would have read you were getting iCloud. Those who did not buy the new product do not get all the new features. It seems fairly straight forward.

     

    Pete

     

    The syncing features are not new, they killed MobileMe & called the remains iCloud. The syncing that I once payed for  no longer exists.

     

    There are many great features that can sell Lion, especially when you consider the price for ALL your Macs, it is quite astounding really. I do have issue with Apple leaving users in the cold removing a service which I was willing to pay for. I'm one generation behind & I can't use even a limited set of the features that I had before iCloud.

     

    Now I have no option but to pay someone else to provide a similar service. It's beyond my comprehension how this can be seen as a good thing for a company to do.

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