targa format

Hi there, first of all I would like to say that Aperture is a very good solution to archive and manage photos.


But I have on major problem with it and that is the file formats Aperture does not support...


- The lack of TGA support!! TGA is an industry standard for losless compression. Old, but reliable.

- And also the lack of support for the older RAW format of my Olympus C5050. I mean, why support newer Olympus RAW formats but not in a backwards compatible manner


I do find this discussion forum here under "Apple Support Communities > Professional Applications > Aperture".


Sooooo... to be brutally honest, an application that calls itself "professional" has to, in my understanding, support all image formats imaginable and most certainly be backward compatible on file formats it does already support.


Or am I alone on this one?


Now, since I do not assume that Apple wil come back to me and announce to implement TGA formats, I am thinking of converting the images to TIFF or PNG so I can prevent having just lost $75 on an unusable tool.


What would happen, if I were to batch convert the targa files, while they are inside the library? Would Aperture re-scan the folders inside the library and then show me the converted tiff's? Or would I have to move them outside, convert them manually and then I would have to manually add them again? (the latter is a no-go, since I have many stitched panoramas in TGA format, and it would be much easier to buy lightroom in that case...)


Or can I downgrade to Aperture two which supported TGA? (notch notch - wink wink)


Thanks in advance for any tips guys! I am at a loss...


Alex

Mac mini (Mid 2011), Mac OS X (10.7.2)

Posted on Feb 21, 2012 11:51 PM

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Feb 22, 2012 7:36 AM in response to alFrame

OK, I'll bite.

Raw formats are unique to *each camera*. Just because you can decode the raw from one camera, does not mean that the same code will work on another, older camera. You can probably understand what the bytes mean, but you cannot assign meaningful color values to them without profiling the camera.


Aperture is a professional tool for working photographers to manage workflow. As such, support for older formats is a small part of that scope. Go ahead and search the Aperture forums for Targa support and see what you get. Then search for "Why doesn't Aperture support the Raw for my [just released camera] and see where the Aperture team is probably focusing (hah!) resources.

Feb 22, 2012 12:01 PM in response to alFrame

Alex,


What would happen, if I were to batch convert the targa files, while they are inside the library? Would Aperture re-scan the folders inside the library and then show me the converted tiff's?

Inside the Aperture library, you can look but don't touch. However, you will probably spend a lot of time looking for what you want to look at, since the database is not set up for human consumption.


If you convert the targa files, and then put the resulting TIFF (or whatever) inside the Aperture library, you have touched, and there are no guarantees what Aperture will do with the invading files inside your library. However, it will most certainly not add them to the library just because they exist. This is true even if you keep the masters outside your library, using referenced masters.


Or would I have to move them outside, convert them manually and then I would have to manually add them again? (the latter is a no-go, since I have many stitched panoramas in TGA format, and it would be much easier to buy lightroom in that case...)

Pretty much. Why is that a "no-go" though? You imported, say, 200 TGA files into your Aperture library. How is it conceptually different to 1) find the masters inside your library, convert those to TIFF, and then have Aperture do magic for you, versus 2) ignore those 200 TGA files, convert your originals to TIFF, and then import those 200 TIFF files? (I.e., #1 cannot happen because Aperture doesn't work that way, but you want it to work that way and is acceptable to you, and #2 is how you would have to do it, but you don't want to do it and it is unacceptable.) The tedious part would be doing the converting and making sure you got everything, and that must happen in both your acceptable and unacceptable case.


nathan

Feb 22, 2012 12:50 PM in response to alFrame

Thanks Keith and Nathan,


I was surprised myself to see that Lightroom doesn't support TGA's as well...


I got a refund for Aperture and I am going back to using an image viewer and my local brain as the database to organize my images.


I stand by my words and I still think that, in this case, neither Aperture nor Lightroom deserve the tag professional. Look at ACDsee or any other image viewers out there that even support Atari IFF files. Maya IFF files, Softimage PIC files as well as Quicktime and Mac PICT format. And all that on a Windows PC.


You're now going to say: But Aperture can do so much more like tone the image and crop, rotate filter them etc. While that's true, it doesn't count for me because I am doing all that in Photoshop. I'd rather have a reliable database software that supports all imaginable file formats and skip all that editing in such an app.


Aperture doesn't even support QuickTime VR files...


I'll continue to use the Mac what I got it for. Compiling and deploying to the AppStore and use my PC for everything else.


Thanks again.


Alex

Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM in response to alFrame

Alex --

alFrame wrote:


I stand by my words and I still think that, in this case, neither Aperture nor Lightroom deserve the tag proffesional.

You voted with your wallet. Good.


"Professional" is a marketing term. It should have no influence on your purchase of software, any more than it might on your purchase of a hammer. Buy a tool for what it does. Neither Aperture nor Lightroom meets your needs -- and each makes it plain that it does not.

Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM in response to Kirby Krieger

Kirby,


And because it's a marketing term we're asking too much if we ask for, in this particular case, from an image handling application, to support various input formats.?


I am a professional animator and UI designer. I have files in all kinds of formats. Amongst them specific files like dds or TGA's, which are both industry standards and to support reading those images would be a undergraduate's job in their programming team (Apple and Adobe).


Imagine if Aperture would support reading all kind of files and would be able to organize/display them. If you need to edit your image inside Aperture, they could simply make a virtual copy in their own format for editing. Then they can still limit the options on what files Aperture can export.


I admit, I implied that the above above thinking existed in Apple software design. I never questioned that Aperture would read all imaginable file formats and therefore never checked the supported file formats. In other words I fell for my definition of "professional" software.


BUT, imagine a world where Aperture would read any file format. That, to me would be a great advertising/marketing topic. And not calling something "professional" and then anticipate that the buyers will accept that it was "just" marketing.


I can accept that you can accept those kind of marketing spiels. But I won't and I slowly can see why "Think Different" is nothing else than a marketing slogan.

Feb 22, 2012 3:16 PM in response to alFrame

Aperture is marketed to professional photographers. They have different needs than "animators and UI designers."


So as you surmised, Aperture is not aimed at you.


Look how many times "photo" and "photography" show up on the Aperture website:

http://www.apple.com/aperture/what-is.html


It was never intended as a photoshop replacement, or general graphics organizer.

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