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Damager Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I just bought 2 Air Port Extreme units (the latest 5th generation).  I'd like to use them in the following configuration:

 

 

1.  Unit 1 connected to my cable modem, providing wireless service and wired to a switch which distributes the connectivity to a few other places in my house via ethernet cable.

 

 

2.  Unit 2 on the opposite side of the house, extending the wireless signal from Unit 1, and hardwired to the ethernet in the house.  Then several other items plugged into Unit 2 for connectivity.

 

 

Problem is, I seem to have 1 of 2 choices:

 

 

1.  Configure Unit 2 in bridge mode.  Hardwire to network works and connectivity works, but there is no wireless turned on, hence no wireless extension.

 

 

2.  Configure Unit 2 to Extend Network.  Wireless is extended, and works fine.  Items can be plugged into Unit 2 and get connectivity, but I cannot connect Unit 2 to the wired network.

 

 

Am I right that I can't get what I want - Unit 2 wired into the internal ethernet network AND extending the wireless network from Unit 1?


AirPort Extreme 5th Gen, Mac OS X (10.7.3)
  • Joseph Kriz Level 5 Level 5 (5,050 points)

    Connect them in a "Roaming" network which is the best wireless network available.

     

    Roaming Network (Ethernet-connected Wi-Fi base stations)

    For 802.11n Wi-Fi base stations, creating a roaming network is by far the best choice. This will provide the best throughput between the base stations and your Wi-Fi devices.

     

    This set up requires that your Wi-Fi base stations are connected via Ethernet.

     

    The primary base station provides DHCP Services, while the extended base station will be configured to use bridge mode.

    All Wi-Fi base stations within the roaming network should use the same passwords, security type (Open/WEP/WPA), and network name (SSID).

    These would all use the same "Create a wireless network", same password, same network name, same security, etc.....

    Sounds like you can do this with all the cables you have througout the house....

     

    You would not use "Join", "Extend", or "Bridge"..... You would choose "Create a wireless network" on all the base stations.......

  • Damager Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That was exactly the right answer - thanks!

  • Carlo TD Level 3 Level 3 (550 points)

    I like the way you created your visualation.  What is a roaming network?

  • beerobs8 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi,

    Will this work on an airport express as well?

  • gdonkers Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Brilliant! Thanks very much for this very clear explanation.

  • coleclark Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Someone in the thread asked "Will this work on an airport express as well?" and I would also like to have an answer to that question.  I have the 802.11n version of the Airport Extreme set up as my primary Wireless router and would like to extend it's range using an Express (also "n" capable) via Ethernet.  However when I set up the Express (using Airport Utility 6.0 - it automatically selects "extend a wireless network via ethernet") I cannot join the wireless network anywhere in the house (the macs "see" the wireless network but won't join it, complaining of a network timeout or something of that nature).  If I disconnect the ethernet cable from the Express (which is connected to the LAN side of the Extreme via a network switch) then instantly the problem goes away and I can access the network with no issues.  The Express is in wireless range of the Extreme, so I know in this case I am extending the wireless network "wirelessly" (as opposed to creating a Roaming Network) so it's less than ideal.  Any suggestions on what I might be doing incorrectly?

  • HACKINT0SH Level 5 Level 5 (5,755 points)

    I have the 802.11n version of the Airport Extreme set up as my primary Wireless router and would like to extend it's range using an Express (also "n" capable) via Ethernet. 

    Yes, you can do this, and yes it can work. And yes I have done this (amoung many other configurations). You can use 6.0, and you will see.. "This AirPort Express is now extending "TimeCapsule (or whatever)" using Ethernet.

     

    Setup Complete.

     

    If you see a solid line from the Extreme to the Express, that represents the connection over Etherent.

     

    Not sure why you are having problems, except for it looks like you added a special kind of SWITCH between the two routers? That would explain some things...

  • coleclark Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hackint0sh, that is exactly what transpired ("This Airport Express is now extending ..... using Ethernet").  And a solid line is displayed on the display of Airport Utility 6.0 between the Express and the Extreme when connected via ethernet (it is dotted line now because I have the ethernet connection unplugged on the Express).  But if I attempt to join the network from anywhere in the house when the Express is connected via ethernet, I get an error message (unable to join because of network timeout or something like that).  However, if I unplug the ethernet cable from the Express, it works fine.  The switch I am using is a fairly generic gigabit ethernet switch.  The Express and the Extreme are of relatively the same vintage and are both set to the same type of wireless security (WPA2 Personal) as well as advertising the same SSID and have the same WPA2 password (I think the Express actually takes these settings from the Extreme when you set it to be in extend mode via the Airport Utility).

  • HACKINT0SH Level 5 Level 5 (5,755 points)

    Why exactly are you using this switch?

     

    Can you remove the switch and lets see if you still have this problem.

  • coleclark Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The switch provides the access to the wired side of the network from each location in the house (I have about 16 ethernet ports in different rooms).  I'm going to plug the home run from the room where the Express is located directly into one of the LAN ports of the Extreme and see if that corrects the problem.  The topology now is the Cable Modem->Airport Extreme (WAN port)->Switch (LAN Port of Extreme)->Airport Express.

  • HACKINT0SH Level 5 Level 5 (5,755 points)

    16 Ports is making me think here. Express can only support up to 10 clients, and I'm wondering how much stuff you got there, that could be correlated in some way.

  • jwilker Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Clarification question.

     

    We tried this last night at the office, we've got 4 Airport Extremes. One is the "main" one. DHCP, etc is handled by a cable modem that the extreme is connected to over ethernet.

     

    We wired up each Extreme like the diagram, but had all kinds of trouble. One thing i wanted to be clear on. In this configuration, would you see X number of networks all with the same address (and of course varying degrees of signal strength) or would you simply see the one network and connect to the strongest where ever you are?

     

    Thanks!

  • Carlo TD Level 3 Level 3 (550 points)

    jwilker wrote:

     

    Clarification question.

     

    We tried this last night at the office, we've got 4 Airport Extremes. One is the "main" one. DHCP, etc is handled by a cable modem that the extreme is connected to over ethernet.

     

    We wired up each Extreme like the diagram, but had all kinds of trouble. One thing i wanted to be clear on. In this configuration, would you see X number of networks all with the same address (and of course varying degrees of signal strength) or would you simply see the one network and connect to the strongest where ever you are?

     

    Thanks!

    1. Do you have Lion? 2. Did you ever set up iCloud? 3. If the answer is yes to 1 and 2, an easier way would be to set up Back to My Mac. 4. Get the main unit working - dont worry about the other units. Un plug them from the main unit. Once the Mai n Unit is working, Put the other 3 units where you want them. They will connect wirellessly to extend the main signal. Setting them up wirelessly is much nicer if you a. have Lion, b. have the latest Airport Utility 6.0 and c. the latest firmware for your extremes, d. have set up iCloud and Back to My Mac. 5. Open your airport utility find the other three units and extend the main unit.

     

    If you feel wired is better then use the diagram above... and in some ways wired is better and easier. If you want wireless, then you have to set it up as wireless all the units. good luck.

  • jwilker Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    yeah I'm on Lion, and that's the set up we're using now, but would prefer to set them up connect by ehternet (faster between devices). But i don't want 4 networks of the same name showing up, which is what I think the diagram would result in, yes?

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