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Late 2009 27" iMac - Random freezes

The last several months my 27" iMac has been freezing at random times. I can't reproduce the freeze on my own and it only occurs maybe once or twice a day. When it does freeze the mouse can still move the pointer around but everything is unresponsive otherwise necessitating a hard reboot.


I actually rolled back to Snow Leopard at one point thinking it was an issue attributed to Lion, but still had the problem.


I will most likely have to take this into the Apple store but thought I'd see if anyone else has experienced the issue before I made that long trip...

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.3)

Posted on Feb 26, 2012 3:25 PM

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Posted on Feb 26, 2012 7:58 PM

Do you have any thing attached to the computer besides the keyboard and mouse? if so, have you tried disconnecting those extra items from the computer? if so, do you still have the items when those decies are disconnected?

Have you checked to make sure your software is up todate? (apple menu, software udpate)

Have you ran disk utility to verify the disk? dose it check out with no erros?

What is the smart status of the built in drive in disk utility?

Have you tried runng apple hardware test? Do you get an error message? if so, what error message?

when the computer freezes, can you use the sound up or sound down on the keyboard? if so dose it respound?

What about trying to force quit an application when the computer 'freezes'

Have you tried a safeboot?

Have you tried a SMC reset? have you tried a NVRAM Reset?

If you disable sleep, do you still have the issue?

Has the computer been ugpraded in any way?

What are you doing when the comptuer freezes? what applications are open? Dose it matter what applications you have open?

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Feb 26, 2012 7:58 PM in response to Jsh1971

Do you have any thing attached to the computer besides the keyboard and mouse? if so, have you tried disconnecting those extra items from the computer? if so, do you still have the items when those decies are disconnected?

Have you checked to make sure your software is up todate? (apple menu, software udpate)

Have you ran disk utility to verify the disk? dose it check out with no erros?

What is the smart status of the built in drive in disk utility?

Have you tried runng apple hardware test? Do you get an error message? if so, what error message?

when the computer freezes, can you use the sound up or sound down on the keyboard? if so dose it respound?

What about trying to force quit an application when the computer 'freezes'

Have you tried a safeboot?

Have you tried a SMC reset? have you tried a NVRAM Reset?

If you disable sleep, do you still have the issue?

Has the computer been ugpraded in any way?

What are you doing when the comptuer freezes? what applications are open? Dose it matter what applications you have open?

Feb 29, 2012 11:15 AM in response to TeenTitan

Answering your questions inline (in red) below:


Do you have any thing attached to the computer besides the keyboard and mouse? Yes. A USB hub with several external data drives, one being the TimeMachine backup device. if so, have you tried disconnecting those extra items from the computer? No I haven't. These devices have been connected for a very long time, well before this issue surfaced. I will try this later though. if so, do you still have the items when those decies are disconnected?

Have you checked to make sure your software is up todate? (apple menu, software udpate) All software is up to date.

Have you ran disk utility to verify the disk? dose it check out with no erros? Yes - no errors.

What is the smart status of the built in drive in disk utility? I'm not sure how to check this. I'll look into it.

Have you tried runng apple hardware test? Do you get an error message? if so, what error message? Yes with no errors.

when the computer freezes, can you use the sound up or sound down on the keyboard? if so dose it respound? Sound up or sound down on the keyboard does nothing. The only response I seem to get is being able to move the cursor around the screen with the mouse.

What about trying to force quit an application when the computer 'freezes' No response, see question above.

Have you tried a safeboot? No, I haven't. Problem is so intermittent, I'm not sure this would help.

Have you tried a SMC reset? have you tried a NVRAM Reset? No, I'll try this later.

If you disable sleep, do you still have the issue? No, I'll try this later.

Has the computer been ugpraded in any way? Yes, I upgraded to 16GB of RAM. I actually thought the failures were occuring because of the upgrade, this is what prompted me to run the Apple hardware test. The test (including RAM) checked out with no failures. I then removed the RAM and replaced the OEM RAM. The freezes continued.

What are you doing when the comptuer freezes? what applications are open? Dose it matter what applications you have open? The last freeze occured within 2 minutes of waking the computer from sleep. VMware Fusion was running and that was it. But the system freezes regardless of what applications are open.


Thanks for your response. Seems I have a few more things to check.

Feb 29, 2012 9:27 PM in response to Jsh1971

Jsh1971 wrote:

What is the smart status of the built in drive in disk utility? I'm not sure how to check this. I'll look into it.

If a drive has a failing smart status; the text of the drive would be red in disk utilty. But not all hard drives support SMART status.

Jsh1971 wrote:

Do you have any thing attached to the computer besides the keyboard and mouse? Yes. A USB hub with several external data drives, one being the TimeMachine backup device.

A failing external drive could cause cause all the symptoms your describing.

Jsh1971 wrote:

The last freeze occured within 2 minutes of waking the computer from sleep.

A failing drive might act up after sleep. Considering this is when the disk has to spin up, start to read data off of the hard drive.


Try using the computer without the external hard drives & USB hub. If the issue stops; then you know it has some thing to do with one of the external hard drives.

Mar 5, 2012 2:03 PM in response to TeenTitan


If a drive has a failing smart status; the text of the drive would be red in disk utilty. But not all hard drives support SMART status.

SMART status appears to be fine on the drive.


A failing drive might act up after sleep. Considering this is when the disk has to spin up, start to read data off of the hard drive.


Try using the computer without the external hard drives & USB hub. If the issue stops; then you know it has some thing to do with one of the external hard drives.

I took your advice and removed the USB drives. Oh, I also tried the SMC reset and NVRAM reset. Also, did a clean install of OS X Lion. Thought it had finally solved the issue - made it through a whole day with no lock up. Unfortunately, sometime last night it froze again.

Apr 30, 2012 11:12 AM in response to Jsh1971

As an update...


Symptoms: Random lockups: 1-4 times per day with seemingly no rhyme or reason. Usually, the mouse pointer continues to move but the GUI is unresponsive. Sometimes, when idle, the screen will refuse to turn back on. In all cases, requires a hard reboot. Quite a few times, will wake from idle and will freeze about 15 seconds after being responsive.


I've tried to isolate the problem many different ways but symptoms continued.

- Restored OEM RAM

- Rolled back to Snow Leopard

- Clean install of Lion

- Reset SRAM & PRAM

- Removed all USB devices, leaving only mouse and keyboard.


Over the last several weeks, taken it to the Apple Store twice. They run "stress tests" and cannot duplicate the issue. Thinking I was doing the right thing, I clean installed Lion - didn't want my personal data floating around in the event the computer got shipped out. Techs said I needed to bring it back without wiping it so they could investigate logs.


Logs prior to lockups pretty consistently show:

4/17/12 4:40:31.000 PMkernel** Device in slot: SLOT--1 **
4/17/12 4:40:31.000 PMkernel** GPU Debug Info Start **
4/17/12 4:40:31.000 PMkernel0x0000944a

Then a whole lot of hex code, maybe some sort of mem dump.


Took it a third time to the Apple Store last week. Again, they could not duplicate the issue. They tried to say it was Vmware Fusion causing the issue, but the lockups occurred prior to installing Vmware. They replaced both the logic board and video card.


Within 30 minutes of booting up after bringing it home, locked up again. I then formatted the hard drive, reinstalled Lion. Ran for about a day with no lockups. The following day I installed iLife applications and all of the Apple software updates that were in the queue. Lock ups began occurring again.


So now I'm doing ANOTHER clean install of Lion. I'm going to install Apple software updates individually with a 24 hour period of no lockups before I proceed to the next. One of these days, I'll figure out what's causing it. Maybe.

Feb 13, 2014 12:42 AM in response to Jsh1971

Curious if your lockup got resolved or not as I am having the exact same issues. Mine is also a late 2009 27" and I am about ready to trash it and get a new model. I had to pay a tech to fix it only a couple mos. back with the same problem. The issue then was deemed bad RAM which had to be removed. Now the problem is back again. For all that is bad about PCs, I never had this problem.

Feb 13, 2014 7:20 AM in response to MCS2010

I actually removed the RAM, one board at a time, to see if any was causing the issue. I did find that one of the RAM boards that seemed to be causing the lock ups, so I removed it and haven't had any issues since.


It was strange, because the RAM even passed tests that I performed, but, anyway it resolved the issue.


Jim

May 14, 2015 1:35 PM in response to Jsh1971

So do I. The freezes seem completely random. But because computers are logical and don't do random I am not savvy in Mac troubleshooting enough to see the symptoms of this problem, diagnose, and correct it. I could be in Mail, Word, Safari or any program when it freezes up. This has just started about two months ago. I looked in Console and nothing jumps out at me. I have already done most of the things stated in the post above to no resolution. No hardware changes has been done, only Apple updates. All tests passed with no errors or red flags. But as I stated earlier, I am not as savvy in Mac as I am in Windows. In my situation the iMac completely freezes..no mouse movement(I use a Bluetooth Mouse/keyboard) or any other functionality. It's hard to think its the memory as it has been in there since I got this machine w/o a problem. I do have an external drive connected but that being a possible contributor don't make sense since the drive is always connected and go many days without freezing the computer. If I use my Windows troubleshooting experience such a freeze like this usually points to a hardware/driver issue because it is so catastrophic. There is just not enough "evidence" to test that, let alone, resolve the issue.


iMAC 27 Late 2009

OS X 10.9.5

Oct 30, 2016 8:23 PM in response to Jsh1971

Hello there,

I hope someone can help me out with this issue that has been plaguing my late 2009 iMac for now quite a long time.

The scrren suddenly locks up, music keeps on playing, the mouse works but has no effect on anything. The only resource is to force a shut down by pressing the power button.

In my particular case, it appears that the issue happens more often when I am listening to an internet radio channel from iTunes. However even without radio, it does freezes on me.

Here is the Hetrecheck report:

Thank you in advance for any help.

Simon


iMac 27" late 2009

2.8 GHz Intel Core i7

20GB 1067 MHz DDR3

SSD1TB HD

ATI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB


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EtreCheck version: 3.1 (331)

Report generated 2016-10-30 20:09:53

Download EtreCheck from https://etrecheck.com

Runtime 2:17

Performance: Excellent


Click the [Support] links for help with non-Apple products.

Click the [Details] links for more information about that line.


Problem: Other problem

Description:

computer freezes



Hardware Information:

iMac (27-inch, Late 2009)

[Technical Specifications] - [User Guide] - [Warranty & Service]

iMac - model: iMac11,1

1 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 (i7) CPU: 4-core

20 GB RAM Upgradeable - [Instructions]

BANK 0/DIMM0

2 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 1/DIMM0

2 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 0/DIMM1

8 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 1/DIMM1

8 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported

Wireless: en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n


Video Information:

ATI Radeon HD 4850 - VRAM: 512 MB

iMac 2560 x 1440


System Software:

macOS Sierra 10.12.1 (16B2555) - Time since boot: about 2 hours


Disk Information:

SanDisk Ultra II 960GB disk0 : (960.2 GB) (Solid State - TRIM: No)

[Show SMART report]

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

SSD 1TB HD (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 959.34 GB (584.06 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB


OPTIARC DVD RW AD-5680H ()


USB Information:

Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

Apple Inc. Built-in iSight

VIA Labs, Inc. USB2.0 Hub

VIA Labs, Inc. USB2.0 Hub

Dynastream Innovations ANT USBStick2

Logitech USB Receiver

Seagate BUP Slim BK

Apple Card Reader

Apple Inc. BRCM2046 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller


Gatekeeper:

Mac App Store and identified developers


Unknown Files:

~/Library/LaunchAgents/Simo.plist

#1

~/Library/LaunchAgents/Yank Agent.plist

~/Library/Application Support/Matterform Media/Yank/Yank Agent/Yank Agent

2 unknown files found. [Check files]


Kernel Extensions:

/Applications/Capture One 9.app

[not loaded] com.Leaf.driver.LeafFwXDriverMatcher (1.2.0d1 - 2016-06-20) [Support]


/Applications/Popcorn.app

[not loaded] com.roxio.TDIXController (1.6 - 2006-10-23) [Support]


/Library/Extensions

[loaded] com.logitech.manager.kernel.driver (6.30.1 - SDK 10.8 - 2016-10-28) [Support]

[not loaded] com.sophos.kext.oas (9.5.50 - SDK 10.11 - 2016-10-28) [Support]

[not loaded] com.sophos.nke.swi (9.5.52 - SDK 10.11 - 2016-10-28) [Support]


/System/Library/Extensions

[not loaded] com.Belcarra.iokit.USBLAN_netpart (3.1.1 - SDK 10.6 - 2016-10-28) [Support]

[not loaded] com.Belcarra.iokit.USBLAN_usbpart (3.1.1 - SDK 10.6 - 2016-10-28) [Support]

[not loaded] com.RemoteControl.USBLAN.usbpart (3.1.1 - SDK 10.7 - 2016-10-28) [Support]


/System/Library/Extensions/2.2.0/Belcarra.USBLAN_netpart.kext/Contents/Plug-Ins

[not loaded] com.belcarra.iokit.netpart.panther (1.6.3 - 2016-09-10) [Support]


/System/Library/Extensions/2.2.0/Belcarra.USBLAN_usbpart.kext/Contents/Plug-Ins

[not loaded] com.belcarra.iokit.usbpart.panther (1.6.3 - 2016-09-10) [Support]


/System/Library/Extensions/2.2.0/RemoteControl.USBLAN_usbpart.kext/Contents/Plu g-Ins

[not loaded] com.RemoteControl.USBLAN.panther (1.6.2 - 2016-09-10) [Support]


~/Downloads/Other/DiskWarrior.app

[not loaded] com.alsoft.Preview (4.4 - 2011-09-23) [Support]


~/Downloads/Other/Software/LCC Installer.app

[loaded] com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver (3.9.0 - SDK 10.6 - 2013-11-12) [Support]

[loaded] com.Logitech.Unifying.HID Driver (1.3.1 - SDK 10.8 - 2013-11-12) [Support]


System Launch Agents:

[not loaded] 8 Apple tasks

[loaded] 164 Apple tasks

[running] 99 Apple tasks


System Launch Daemons:

[not loaded] 41 Apple tasks

[loaded] 164 Apple tasks

[running] 98 Apple tasks


Launch Agents:

[running] com.Logitech.Control Center.Daemon.plist (2016-10-08) [Support]

[running] com.logitech.manager.daemon.plist (2016-10-08) [Support]


Launch Daemons:

[running] com.MacRemover.Remover.DaemonServer.plist (2016-10-06) [Support]

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist (2016-10-23) [Support]

[loaded] com.malwarebytes.HelperTool.plist (2016-06-19) [Support]

[loaded] com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist (2010-08-25) [Support]

[loaded] com.rogueamoeba.instanton-agent.plist (2016-02-15) [Support]

[running] net.exirion.ssdfanctrl.plist (2013-10-31) [Support]


User Launch Agents:

[failed] Simo.plist (2016-08-27) [Support] - #1: Executable not found!

[running] Yank Agent.plist (2016-10-07) [Support]


User Login Items:

iTunesHelper Application (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)

Dropbox Application (/Applications/Dropbox.app)

Caffeine Application (/Applications/Caffeine.app)

AdobeResourceSynchronizer Application (/Applications/Adobe Acrobat Reader DC.app/Contents/Helpers/AdobeResourceSynchronizer.app)

DiskWarriorDaemonStarter Application (/Volumes/Seagate Backup Plus Drive/DiskWarrior.app/Contents/Helpers/DiskWarriorStarter.app)

WhatsApp Application (/Applications/WhatsApp.app)

Snip Application Hidden (/Applications/Snip.app)

Airmail 3 Application (/Applications/Airmail 3.app)

Solar Service Application (~/Library/Application Support/Logitech/SolarService/Solar Service.app)

Garmin Express Service Application (/Applications/Garmin Express.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/Garmin Express Service.app)

ScanSnap Manager Application (/Applications/ScanSnap/ScanSnap Manager.app)

ScanSnap Manager Evernote Edition Application (/Applications/ScanSnap Evernote Edition/ScanSnap Manager Evernote Edition.app)

AOUMonitor Application (/Applications/ScanSnap Online Update.localized/AutoOnlineUpdater.app/Contents/MacOS/AOUMonitor.app)


Internet Plug-ins:

FlashPlayer-10.6: 23.0.0.205 - SDK 10.9 (2016-10-26) [Support]

QuickTime Plugin: 7.7.3 (2016-10-24)

Flash Player: 23.0.0.205 - SDK 10.9 (2016-10-26) [Support]

JavaAppletPlugin: 15.0.1 - SDK 10.12 (2016-09-09) Check version

PepperFlashPlayer: 23.0.0.205 - SDK 10.9 (2016-10-27) [Support]

SharePointBrowserPlugin: 14.6.9 - SDK 10.6 (2016-10-19) [Support]


User internet Plug-ins:

QQMail: 1.0.2.0 - SDK 10.7 (2016-04-23) [Support]

txftn: 1.0.0.6 (2016-04-23) [Support]


Safari Extensions:

1Password - AgileBits - https://agilebits.com/onepassword (2016-10-17)

Adblock Plus - Eyeo GmbH - https://adblockplus.org/ (2016-10-17)


3rd Party Preference Panes:

Flash Player (2016-10-23) [Support]

Logitech Control Center (2016-10-08) [Support]

Logi Options Launcher (2016-10-08) [Support]


Time Machine:

Auto backup: YES

Volumes being backed up:

SSD 1TB HD: Disk size: 959.34 GB Disk used: 375.28 GB

Destinations:

Seagate Backup Plus Drive [Local]

Total size: 999.86 GB

Total number of backups: 15

Oldest backup: 10/21/16, 10:36

Last backup: 10/30/16, 19:16

Size of backup disk: Too small

Backup size 999.86 GB < (Disk used 375.28 GB X 3)


Top Processes by CPU:

6% WindowServer

5% launchd

3% com.apple.WebKit.WebContent(12)

2% fontd

1% Airmail 3


Top Processes by Memory:

1.28 GB com.apple.WebKit.WebContent(12)

1.14 GB kernel_task

410 MB mds_stores

369 MB Safari

307 MB Airmail 3


Virtual Memory Information:

13.86 GB Available RAM

9.48 GB Free RAM

6.14 GB Used RAM

4.38 GB Cached files

0 B Swap Used


Diagnostics Information:

Oct 30, 2016, 05:56:51 PM ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/ScanSnap Manager Evernote Edition_2016-10-30-175651_[redacted].crash

com.fujitsu.pfu.ScansnapEvernoteEdition - /Applications/ScanSnap Evernote Edition/ScanSnap Manager Evernote Edition.app/Contents/MacOS/ScanSnap Manager Evernote Edition

Oct 30, 2016, 05:56:10 PM Self test - passed

Oct 28, 2016, 04:31:06 PM /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/Finder_2016-10-28-163106_[redacted].cpu_resourc e.diag [Details]

/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder

Oct 30, 2016 8:54 PM in response to Simon Sobrero

The two BIG things I see,

Ditch/proerly uninstall the Sophos antivirus.


http://www.sophos.com/en-us/support/knowledgebase/119182.aspx


If this isn't the proper link, search the web to learn how to properly uninstall Sophos antivirus and never install antivirus on the Mac OS, ever again.

OS X doesn't need it or want it and this can negatively impact OS X performance.


Next,

You have waaay tooo many login/ startup items installed.

Startup items have been obsolete for some time now, but if you need to have them, you need to pare these down to less than six items at login/startup.


Add or remove automatic items Choose Apple menu > System Preferences, then click Users & Groups. Select your user account, then click Login Items. Do one of the following: Click Add below the list on the right, select an app, document, folder, or disk, then click Add.If you don’t want an item’s windows to be visible after login, select Hide. (Hide does not apply to servers, which always appear in the Finder after login.) Select the name of the item you want to prevent from opening automatically, then click Delete below the list on the right.


Make sure any external device drivers are up to date.


Make sure you web browser and any web browser extensions and/or any web browser plugins are up to date.


Good Luck!

Late 2009 27" iMac - Random freezes

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