Counting syllables

Anyone know of a way to have Pages count the syllables in a line?

If not, is there a w/p or text editor which can?

Thanks!

G5 DP 2 GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.5), No Haxies; permissions frequently repaired etc

Posted on Feb 23, 2006 4:57 PM

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Feb 24, 2006 8:54 AM in response to DennisG

DennisG,

"He who begins to count is lost."


Good question.

Thanks everyone for your help. I suspect this is going to be hard to achieve.

I'm a published poet. There are times when I need to ensure regular syllable-counts in lines (eg iambic pentameter). Atm I use BBEdit and tend to stop and tap my fingers on my wrist rest after each line. But that's a lot of tapping during revision 🙂

I do appreciate that it must be hard to write the algorithm, but something like BBEdit's feedback on column and row location would be wonderful!

Feb 23, 2006 11:28 PM in response to Mark Sealey

Good question, but it is surprisingly advanced functionality, if you're talking about English. With, say, Italian, Finnish or German, you could make a fairly reliable AppleScript which counts consonant-vowel groups. But English have such a lot of exceptions and unclear cases. "Worked" is one syllable. "Wicked" is two syllables. "Blessed" can be pronounced with one or two, unless I'm mistaken.

So the answer is, Yes, there is a way, but you have to learn Finnish first.

Feb 24, 2006 7:19 AM in response to SermoDaturCunctis

Nice answer; meaning exactly apposite, spot on, incisive.

There have been grammar checkers that dealt with this issue in aggregate: the old Lotus Word Pro had one of them, but unfortunately it's moribund - last updated six years ago, and from what I've been told never worked all that well on the Mac. But of course, in aggregate, you can just dismiss these special cases, and come up with a statistical report that's meant to comment on the complexity of the language used; which is something grammar checkers can aim at. The one in Word Pro did. But the very idea of letting any such primitive beast dictate your style is really pretty horrendous - which is why grammar checkers are not especially popular. They're frankly a waste of time. There's none of them yet that will teach you to write iambic pentameter; let alone decent prose, which is actually far more complex.

But let me remind of an old Roman proverb "He who begins to count is lost."

The corollary might also be true. Why not try a pre-digital touch-screen solution? It's probably all there is!

Cheers.



iBook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Feb 24, 2006 5:28 PM in response to Mark Sealey

Hullo Mark:

Thought as much, really. Why else?

But given that, and supposing you want to write in a spectrum of the classic verse forms in English, it's not just hard but Herculean. Which is not to say impossible. Such an algorithm would have to refer to a fully phonetic dictionary, since it's not just the syllables that would need to be counted, but whether they were accented or unaccented (or in Latin, and inferentially I suppose some Romance languages, whether long or short - the distinction comparable to that between the vowel in "barn" and "that", in English) and then whether trailing or leading, and their cycle of recurrence. Add to that an exceptions list of acceptable elisions that a reader can readily accommodate without disrupting the rhythm, and even Sisyphus might quail at it.

On the other hand, if you've got any programming friends, and can make a case for say, an educational as well as specialised audience for it: well, you never know; although localisation would be formidable too, and would require an extremely rare talent or tricky collaboration (bridging C.P. Snow's "two cultures", no less, to achieve. But don't hold your breath.

Why not spend it, instead, on some thoroughgoing reading aloud of the greats in your chosen metres. Risk occasional laryngitis, but in the process absorb them as second nature. Sometimes you'll still want to count - rather like musicians: a bar or so to start, or to measure a climactic pause. But for the rest, the rhythm will carry you, and your reading aloud reinforce your silent internal verbalisation. (Nobody speed-reads verse if it's any good).

Then be sure you can touch type at reading speed. Check your system isn't one of those that has speed problems with Pages, and enjoy its intuitive beauty to let your words flow like nectar: from your singing mind to the page.

Or battle on as you are until then - and here's a little anecdote to tide you over until technology catches up with you, or you leave it with not a chance.

The internationally renowned Australian Poet, Les A. Murray, confided to me once, in our late twenties or so, that he'd decided to write verse because prose left the other end of the line to far away to face. He measured his progress in carriage returns on the little portable typewriter I'd not be at all surprised if he still uses. And I doubt he ever counted past three, except for the cows on the farm and his offspring.

Les generally writes in free form, but the world of poetry is well aware of his frequent allusions to, and occasional excursions into the heritage of verse.

Cheers.

iBook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.4)

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