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Jun 13, 2012 6:41 PM in response to Philly_Phanby MAXp0wr,Philly_Phan wrote:
Dah•veed wrote:
On line sales have never worked the way you want them to work, in my experience.
That's not true. I've always purchased Adobe software online and recently upgraded my Photoshop to CS6. I can (and have) legally sold my Photoshop CS5 software to a neighbor. My registration has been cancelled and my neighbor registered it in his name.
This is a really good example of how things 'should' work with all digital products.
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Jun 13, 2012 6:42 PM in response to Dah•veedby MAXp0wr,Dah•veed wrote:
Adobe allows you to purchase a license and to download over the internet a copy of their app and then Adobe later allows you to sell the license and the app copy that you downloaded to another person?
Sounds crazy, but yes. The original purchaser can no longer use the software, obviously.
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Jun 13, 2012 6:43 PM in response to Philly_Phanby MAXp0wr,Philly_Phan wrote:
Dah•veed wrote:
But I miss your point, what do you need to be happy with Mac software? The ability to sell it to someone else?
I routinely keep a Mac three, maybe four, years, after which I give it to my son (who does not live with me). Now, my son is required to pay to replace all the Apple software that I already paid for.
You what!? You 'gave' something you purchased to someone else!?
Who let you do this?
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Jun 13, 2012 6:46 PM in response to Philly_Phanby Dah•veed,Now, my son is required to pay to replace all the Apple software that I already paid for.
Yes, you are 100% correct. You may give him the hardware, it belongs to you. You may not give him the copies of the software that did not come with the Mac because that is not yours and you don't have a license that allows you to transfer it to him. That is capitalism. Perhaps it would work differently under a different economic system.
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Jun 13, 2012 6:49 PM in response to MAXp0wrby Dah•veed,This is a really good example of how things 'should' work with all digital products.
Well, it is at least how you wish it worked. And in a future utopian world, you may not ever even need to pay for anything. Your wants and needs are met in exchange for what you contribute to society. But today most of us live in nations with at least hybrid capitalist economic systems and the folks who actually own the software do not concur.
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Jun 13, 2012 6:58 PM in response to MAXp0wrby Dah•veed,It appears that you have attracted the ASC hosts with your speech. They will now be watching you, smile pretty.
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Jun 13, 2012 6:58 PM in response to Dah•veedby Philly_Phan,Dah•veed wrote:
Adobe allows you to purchase a license and to download over the internet a copy of their app and then Adobe later allows you to sell the license and the app copy that you downloaded to another person?
Isn't that what I said? I don't lie!
To the best of my knowledge, Microslop also allows the transfer of ownership of the software.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:00 PM in response to Dah•veedby Philly_Phan,Dah•veed wrote:
Now, my son is required to pay to replace all the Apple software that I already paid for.
Yes, you are 100% correct. You may give him the hardware, it belongs to you. You may not give him the copies of the software that did not come with the Mac because that is not yours and you don't have a license that allows you to transfer it to him. That is capitalism. Perhaps it would work differently under a different economic system.
It also works differently with different software suppliers. Case in point - Adobe and probably Microslop.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:00 PM in response to Philly_Phanby Dah•veed,No, no acusation of falsehood intended, I just wished to make sure that I understood you precisely.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:01 PM in response to MAXp0wrby Philly_Phan,MAXp0wr wrote:
Philly_Phan wrote:
Dah•veed wrote:
On line sales have never worked the way you want them to work, in my experience.
That's not true. I've always purchased Adobe software online and recently upgraded my Photoshop to CS6. I can (and have) legally sold my Photoshop CS5 software to a neighbor. My registration has been cancelled and my neighbor registered it in his name.
This is a really good example of how things 'should' work with all digital products.
Yes. This "usage license" is a crock.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:03 PM in response to Dah•veedby Philly_Phan,Dah•veed wrote:
No, no acusation of falsehood intended, I just wished to make sure that I understood you precisely.
I had told you that I already did transfer the ownership. This is SOP with Adobe and, as I had mentioned previously, I believe that Microslop is also the same way. Apple used to do this until recently.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:17 PM in response to Dah•veedby Philly_Phan,Dah•veed wrote:
This is a really good example of how things 'should' work with all digital products.
Well, it is at least how you wish it worked. And in a future utopian world, you may not ever even need to pay for anything. Your wants and needs are met in exchange for what you contribute to society. But today most of us live in nations with at least hybrid capitalist economic systems and the folks who actually own the software do not concur.
Are you saying that Utopia is non-Apple? As I pointed out, other software vendors do not have this limitation.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:17 PM in response to Dah•veedby MAXp0wr,Yes, this is how I and many others want it to work because the current system is too restrictive. Digital products are still things, if I buy a thing and no longer want it then I should be able to give it to someone else to use. It was paid for, I can't use it anymore, so why not? Because a company wants more money - that's the only reason. And they will keep going with this system as long as everyone just takes it.
But I can't really get into this discussion anymore because my comments are being removed by admins. I guess they don't like my opinion, best tape my mouth shut..
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Jun 13, 2012 7:21 PM in response to MAXp0wrby Philly_Phan,Adobe's policy:
License transfer policy
If you sell or give your Adobe software to an individual or business, you can transfer the license accordingly. Transferring the license allows the new owner to register the software in their name.
Important: Educational versions of Adobe-branded products are not eligible for a transfer of license. Educational versions of Macromedia-branded products, however, can be transferred to a new owner.
- If you transfer a license for a product suite, then the license applies to the entire suite of products. Individual products within a product suite are not eligible for a transfer of license.
- The transfer of a license includes all versions of that product. If you sell or donate your registered copy of an Adobe product license, then you transfer your rights to all versions of that license as well.
- Adobe limits an individual to a maximum of four license transfers in a lifetime.
- Support contracts that are attached to a license do not transfer to the new licensee. Support contracts are legally nontransferable as specified in the terms and conditions of the contract.
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Jun 13, 2012 7:25 PM in response to Philly_Phanby Dah•veed,Are you saying that Utopia is non-Apple?
Perhaps in a Utopia, Apple would introduce a different business model.
other software vendors do not have this limitation.
And you know the answer to that one.