The New iPad™ and iPhoto: will they play nicely with Aperture

I am hoping for the same as well. I would like to think it could work like Adobe is trying to do with their tablet/pc applications where you can start working on the tablet and then finish a job on your pc.

Well when you actually buy and download the iPhoto for OS you're going to see it's cute and all but really, it's a $4.99 app. You can access photos on your iPhone/iPad camera roll or ones in the Library and edit them. Then share them in various ways.

The interface is as cute as a button. If you take a snap on your phone you can tidy it up and upload it whereever so all your friends can see. That's what it's for.

It's nowhere near as powerful as Aperture. I'm not sure it's as powerful as iPhoto on your Mac. But if it's close to anything, that's it.

No you can't start an edit on one device and continue on another because the edit history does not come across when you move the shot from iPhoto for iOS to either iPhoto or Aperture. Put another way, it's non-destructive on iOS only.

In a word, I don't see any use for an Aperture user in this app, and I'm not sure it's cool.

Regards

TD

http://www.imore.com/2012/03/08/hands-iphoto-iphone-ipad/

There is a review of it. One criticism is lack of sync even with iPhoto, so unfortunately I'm sure Aperture will have the same lack of support.

Perhaps the next version of iPhoto for Mac will bring these two apps together?

I was going to say basically the same as Terence. When I upgraded from iPhoto to Aperture, I found some really nice Raw shots of animals at the safari park which were fine in iPhoto looked horrible in Aperture - colour off, really badly.

Turns out iPhoto was showing me the JPEG versions it saves, not the real Raw file which looked a mess (I'd converted them to Adobe DNG's a while back). So any edits you do in iPhoto are going to be on that version only, if you do import to Aperture you'll probably get your original Raw file imported, must like you do from the Photo browser, so unless you want to do some cute editing on your iPad, I'm not sure it's worth it for an Aperture workflow.

I don't have an iPad or any tablet, I was waiting for one that would support my workflow as it is - maybe I'll have to bite the bullet and save up for that MacBook instead...

iPhoto for Mac will process Raw files, and uses the same Raw engine as Aperture. It creates a Preview of the Raw on import, but that's not what gets processed if you edit. You'll see the RAW badge on the window when you're working with Raw.

Importing from iPhoto for iOS is really simple. If you've edited the shot then you get the edit. You don't get the original. I can find no way to in which lossless is possible on iPhoto for iOS. I'd love to be wrong if anyone know more.

Regards

TD

Hi Terence,

You are right in many aspects, in particular when it comes to doing edits on a tablet to a photograph... Being a photographer I see no point in editing photographs on a display that will not show true colours to begin with... And in fact the fact that both Aperture and Lightroom do not support editing within colour channels (only photoshop does to my knowledge) makes them both very clumsy tools apart from two important functions: 1 sorting and previewing 2 adjusting exposure (and ONLY exposure). Aperture has a better RAW converter than Lightroom this is the only reason for using Aperture over Lightroom (OK it is user friendlier too).

The only Workflow support a tablet CAN and should provide professionally speaking is pre-sorting, ratings, colour labeling, possibly croppings. Everything else should be manioulaated on a big true colour screen and preferably within the colour channels in Hotoshop.

That means all the iPad needs to provide is: 1) an upload from you camera directly into the iPad (check) 2) a sorting, labeling and rating function.

Ironically the second function does exist -- for Lightroom .... The app is called Photosmith and works like a charm. Unfortunately Lightrooms RAW converter isn't great so then I have to export from Lightroom back to several folder mimicking my various rating and sortings and then re-import to Aperture... Yes we're in 2012! And yes we are talking of the prime product of the most highly valued Technology company called Apple

I'm going at length to explain this because a) I'm increasingly frustrated at Apple's complete misregard for real professional needs (which seems to grow exponantionally with every success they celebrate in the consumer market) and b) frustrated with the ipad - being one of my worst purchases in 2011. Not because it isn't cool, but because it is simply being artificially cut in functionality just so that Apple may sell more Macbooks.

Because the only true reason for a laptop these days is either you are constantly travelling - and I mean constantly... which few people truely are... or you're working in a remote location... Or your iPad just doesn't perform enough even for basics so that you still need to take a laptop even if you're away for just a week or two and intheory all you need is email and an app to rate and colour code the images you took, and possibly upload them to a server so that an assistant can take care of the rest - because you're too busy to be actually retouching images anyway...

I hope Tim Cook will change a few things - he does seem a bit less stubborn. I am hoping for the best because I know a few people within my circles (we're all early adopters and were proud owners of the Titanium Powerbook) who are already thinking of alternatives... Cheers

I just wanted to highlight this very, very basic functionality gap one more time - because it would be really nice if Apple could respond to this positively:

1) The ability to rate your RAW photos, label them, attach keywords to them, and sort them into folders

2) The ability to sync this information back into Aperture

3) The ability to sync several Aperture libraries

4) Totally optional but good too: able to crop and turn images

That's it - that's all what is currently needed and which does make sense given the nature of an iPad.

We don't need any sliders to wrang around, no need for these non-sense saturation/contrast/colour adjustment sliders that do not work properly anyway, and which no professional would actually consider unless he or she is in a hurry...

Yes, really... just rating, sorting and syncing...

Hope that's not too much to ask from the top Technology company of 2012.

Frederic Nitschke wrote:

Hi Terence,

You are right in many aspects, in particular when it comes to doing edits on a tablet to a photograph... Being a photographer I see no point in editing photographs on a display that will not show true colours to begin with... And in fact the fact that both Aperture and Lightroom do not support editing within colour channels (only photoshop does to my knowledge) makes them both very clumsy tools apart from two important functions: 1 sorting and previewing 2 adjusting exposure (and ONLY exposure). {Much clipped}

Can you expand on your statement about "editing within colour channels"? I'm curious both from a practical standpoint (the Curves and Levels Bricks can be limited to R, G, or B, and the Color Brick has six bands each of which the user can customize to hue and "hue width") and a theoretical standpoint (the color channels built into Bayer-array sensors are arbitrary analogs of our eyes/brain -- it seems to me (not a professional photographer) that not limiting oneself to those arbitrary hue groupings should be a goal of photographers and those who design software for their use).

Thanks in advance.

Good points -- worth sending to the place Apple requests that users submit requests: "Aperture→Provide Aperture feedback".

What you are describing seems to me to be a sort of Aperture emissary that runs on iOS. I suspect it could be successfully marketed as a way to sell iPads.

A few notes:

- there are currently no tools to sync Aperture Libraries. One can export, and one can import and/or merge, but that's it. Imho, there is no reason to expect syncing of _multiple_ Libraries on an iOS app.

- RAW conversion is just the first step towards Image creation for many photographers (e.g.: those who ETTR). The existence of a Image, converted from RAW data, that can be used for keywording and rating assumes a level of user input beyond what you propose.

- Apple has made clear that they will focus on the heavy middle of their user base. That iPhoto app may repulse you, but it is very attractive (and useful) to those with less experience and knowledge than you.

Frederic Nitschke wrote:

Hope that's not too much to ask from the top Technology company of 2012.

I'm assuming there is some sarcasm here. Sarcasm never comes across as intended when delivered on-line. That aside, I think if you specify what you mean by "top" you'll have a rather complete answer to your hope.

Frederic Nitschke wrote:

Ironically the second function does exist -- for Lightroom .... The app is called Photosmith and works like a charm.

Ironically such an app does exist -- for Aperture .... The app is called Pixelsync and works like a charm.

http://www.pixelsyncapp.com/

Hi Viskwal, I asked the pixelsync developer this afternoon via twitter if it could import photos from the camera, then sync it back to Aperture when you got home, and his reply was no, not yet, but should be available in V2 later this year.

So in my opinion it can't, yet. It looks like Photosmith can, and there are lots of calls on that website for a version for Aperture as well, we'll see who gets there first I guess.

James

Hi Viskwal - thanks for the tip ..

Pixelsync is well noted - unfortunately Pixelsync does not allow for on the road importing - i.e. I have to get back to my studio first import into Aperture and then sync back to Pixelsync to then do some rating and colour coding... not what you need when you are on the road, on a plane or off site for a few days -

Hope you understand my frustration - ...

Only Photosmith does that - but only with Lightroom...