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Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

I am coming up against an issue that I wish I had known about before investing my time in iBooks Author and that is the the apparant inability to create our picture book and not give away the plot of the entire book on the second page in the TOC that shows all the pictures (our pages) for our book. My question is, has anyone been able to eliminate the TOC with the row of pictures at the bottom of the TOC for your picture book and still get your book published? If so, can you tell me your title so I can see it? Thanks!


iMac, iOS 5.0.1
Solved by Sputnik Slim on Sep 4, 2012 8:00 AM Solved

OK, here is what I did for our children's picture book...I crafted the whole thing in iBA with bells & whistles but just before submitting I read a report of a study by the Joan Ganz Institute about retention rates for ebooks. Turns out there is a 40% LOSS in retention when a story is told where a child taps, pulls, etc or otherwise is distracted when reading or having the book read to them. They remember where to tap or press for an effect but don't really connect with what the story is saying.

 

So, I gutted all the extras and did a simple text version (text on full page photos) so it is just a regular old picture book but presented as an eBook. I then found it easier to do a picture book in Book Creator. I used Book Baby to submit to a slew of stores and then subbmited my book to iBookstore myself. This was on Friday at 6am. When I returned Friday eve, the book was availlable for sale in 32 territories. The coveted green light in one day. I thought it was a mistake but there it is in the iBookstore. I'm thinking that because I kept it so simple I avoided all the stop signs. As I have 6 of these in this series, I think I will do them all as read only books and then do a few apps with similar content.

Reply by janinefromleek on Mar 23, 2012 4:22 PM Helpful

your analogy is not apt at all. Mcdonalds and KFC are unhealthy and damage childrens bodies. The thumbnails in the book are irrelevant to the children - they do not help, hinder or harm them. They are not noticed.

 

But I'm sure you will keep harping on about something you want changed that never will be changed because you are the only one who wants it. A change that you are so desperate for, but one that does not help the end user of your book, some advice for you - take the needs of the end user as paramount, not your own as an obsessed thumbnail ridden author. Good day to you kind sir.

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  • K T Level 7 Level 7
    expertise.publishing
    Publishing

    Did you try this suggestion...

     

    Crafting a chapter-less book is possible, but a minimum of one section is requred. Remove the chapter label, leave the TOC blank and you'll then have a basic/generic point from which to work with.

  • Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

    With no content on TOC page, when I preview on my iPad, it takes my pictures from the pages and automatically inserts them into the TOC along the bottom. On my other thread it was revealed if you eliminate the TOC Apple won't publish your book. I just can't believe that Apple would not think ahead that some of us are in the picture book world and would want to use their wonderful app to ... publish a picture book.

  • K T Level 7 Level 7
    expertise.publishing
    Publishing

    There's always Pages/calibre....

  • Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

    OK, so I looked at children's picture books on offer in the ibookstore and I can't see any that have the clumsy row of photos along the bottom of a TOC page in landscape. Does that mean that no one has published a children's picture book using IBA? Sure would like to hear a definitive answer as I would like to create and then publish thru the IBA process. Help!

  • heySkippy Level 1 Level 1

    I have. All my pictures are in gallery widgets, so preview in TOC isn't an issue.

  • Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

    Great, so how do you handle getting rid of the TOC page? Does it simply not show up if you don't put any content into it?  Off to play with widgets. Can you tell the name of your title?

  • heySkippy Level 1 Level 1

    I didn't get rid of the TOC, much as I was tempted. The gallery widget only shows as 1 page, regardless of how many pictures are in it. Within the gallery widget itself you have the option of showing or not showing a row of thumbnails.

     

    I'm still awaiting final approval for my book.

  • Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

    OK, I just tried inserting a gallery widget in a few different templates. As soon as I select TOC, the widget icon grays out and becomes non-functional. What is your secret for inserting the widget in TOC?

  • Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

    Still trying to figure this out. I did a test preview with a clean template and inserted a few full page pics with the gallery widget. So, the TOC page still shows up. How does one write to Apple to get this cleared up? A yes or no would be great. This gray area "maybe this will work" "no, nothing works" stuff is silly.   I just can't believe they would not allow picture books to be crafted with their app.

     

    The only workaround that I can find is to use the first 6-8 pages of the book with filler jpegs so that when the TOC is displayed, the row of pics along the bottom is ...filler thumbnails and not crucial story info. How sloppy!

  • janinefromleek Level 1 Level 1
    expertise.desktops
    Desktops

    is it really that big a deal?

     

    So they can see the thumbnails - does it ruin their experience? My kids read a bokk 1000 times, they know exactly what the story is everytime they read it.

  • Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

    Yes, it really is "a big deal" and yes it does ruin their experience.  I am in the hopes of producing as professional of a book as possible. I should be able to do that with IBA. Having a row of thumbnails, and even a TOC in a children's picture book is absurd. I can tell you this, a professional publisher would never allow a row of thumbnails and a TOC in a children's picture book. I look forward to your children reading my book 1000 times...once it is formatted properly.

  • janinefromleek Level 1 Level 1
    expertise.desktops
    Desktops

    i've read a hundred books with my kids - knowing the story ahead of time has never once ruined their experience. What gives you the impression it would? Have you even tested it with some children and observed?

     

    I can fully understand why you would want to avoid it, but really I think in the grand scheme of things having read book after book with two children I think the problem is not there.

  • Sputnik Slim Level 1 Level 1

    We are building a video ebook, using text, filmed video clips of the characters, still pics and audio and want to have it released in this IBA format according to what we think is proper as far as presentation is, to our audience. The problem of incorrect formatting for a children's picture book in IBA is very much there. Part of this issue is creative control and the other part is unnecessarily revealing the visual storyline on the first page of the book. Thanks for your input though.

     

    Again, has anyone produced a children's picturebook throuh IBA that has made it through the vetting process, and is for sale in the iBookstore? Would love to see it and how you formatted it and, I  just might be a customer!

  • heySkippy Level 1 Level 1

    I'm with you Sputnik, it's maddening to have a vision and not be able to realize it because the software has what seems to be an unnecessary limitation.

     

    My beef is that I can't have a traditional TOC page in landscape mode. Makes zero sense to not have that as an option.

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