10 Replies Latest reply: Jun 13, 2012 3:32 PM by petermac87
Rossmoor Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I just updated to "Lion" & it's pretty smooth except for a couple of old apps that don't work anymore... Don't like microsoft anyway.. But "Bounce" function is gone from mail ??!!  What was the point of getting rid of that function??? I guess there is "Junk Mail" but that doesn't send a incorrect messege back... I miss Steve !!!


Mac OS X (10.7.3), "Bounce" Gone !!!
  • Carolyn Samit Level 10 Level 10 (95,985 points)

    Hi..

     

    I miss that feature too.

     

    Unfortunately with Lion, the bounce feature is no more.  

     

    However, you can provide feedback to Apple here.

  • Wayne of America Level 2 Level 2 (215 points)

    This has been extensively discussed in these forums.

     

    Bounce may have been a useful feature once upon a time but nowadays nearly all spam comes from "zombie" computers (people don't realize their computer has been compromised). So you're not sending the spam back to the originator but to other innocent recipients. And if it does get back to the originating bad guy it just verifies that they've found a live recipient.

     

    The bottom line is that bouncing just turns you into an unwitting spammer. Apple know that and that's why they've dropped the feature.

  • Rossmoor Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hmmmmm, how does the bounce function affect innocent recipients ?? Doesn't seem like the "ooops" reply all button ?? and can the Zombie computer get backed up with "bounces?"

  • Wayne of America Level 2 Level 2 (215 points)

    This is not first hand knowledge to me, an Apple person explained it to me a while back... the innocent recipients are those who are unwittingly forwarding spam from their (usually) Windows macines. They've downloaded trojans or other malware which functions to hide the original spammer and broadcasts their garbage to everyone in their address book.

     

    I'm no expert on the mechanics of this but from the somewhat informed opinions that I've sourced I believe that "bounce", nowadays, is no longer useful.

  • red_menace Level 6 Level 6 (14,785 points)

    Spammers rarely use their own email address just for this reason - if everyone bounced their mail back, it would fill their mail boxes up (of course it would also verify the address, but the spammers are mostly interested in sending massive quantities, since that is what they get paid for).  Instead, they usually use someone elses address so that bounces or undelivered mail don't come back to them - this is called spoofing, and is something easy to do when you run your own mail server.  Of course, if you happen to be the address of the day, then you get the regular spam in addition to the undelivered spam, and wind up posting to the various forums trying to figure out why you are getting returns of all this email that you never sent.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,965 points)

    If you believe you must have it there is a third party hack to return it if you search for return bounce to mail. I don't want it so not sure where or what it is.

     

    Good luck

     

    Pete

  • Matt Miller3 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    bounce fuction was important for REAL people that you want to bounce an email on their ***... I didn't use it for REAL spam, just people SPAM. Bring it back for the people! Its important.

  • red_menace Level 6 Level 6 (14,785 points)

    It's even less effective against real people, since all you have to do is look at the headers.  I don't know about the people you would use it against, but message headers are about the first thing I look at when I get an email like that.  Assuming it gets past my junk filters, that is.

  • Matt Miller3 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    huh? like CRAZY "X"'s who are stalking you!

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,965 points)

    Matt Miller3 wrote:

     

    huh? like CRAZY "X"'s who are stalking you!

    I'd be more inclined to try some legal help rather than a 'hack' to an email program. I can't believe you are serious!

     

    But there you go. Throwing your private life onto the internet like this is how people get themselves in trouble to begin with.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete