7 Replies Latest reply: Mar 21, 2012 7:56 PM by LawrenceFerr01
LawrenceFerr01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I shoot with a Panasonic HVX200 at 720P24. I want to shoot 24p for the natural non-video look.

 

The compressor settings do not have an option for DVCPROHD 24 so when I accept the pop-up window suggestion that I "change the sequence settings to match my clip settings" the editing timebase sets at 59.94.

 

I thought I was shooting 24 progressive frames and that FCP Studio allows for this? Am I going to lose the effect of 24p that I am looking for?

 

When I shoot with my Canon Vixia HV 30, the editing time base is 29.97.

 

Can I mix clips from both cameras in the same timeline? They look fine on playback with the settings set at 59.97. ( I just read that you cannot nest clips from with different sequence settings).

 

THANKS!!


Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.3)
  • 1. Re: Editing time base
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    Unless you choose 720p 24pN with the HVX, the camera shot 24p at 59.94...the default for 720p is 59.94.  If you want 23.98, then you need to shoot 720p 24pN  And yes, there are settings for that in FCP.  DVCPRO HD 720p 23.98.

     

    And the HDV cameras shoot 24p at 29.97...as 1080 defaults to 29.97, and HDV cameras, tape based, only shoot 29.97.  Some higher end ones shoot 24pA that allows for pulldown to be removed when you capture to get you 23.98, but consumer level cameras like that one shoot the 24p look at 29.97.

     

    You can edit both at 29.97 or 59.94...those are compatible formats (30fps and 60fps mix well).

  • 2. Re: Editing time base
    Studio X Level 7 Level 7 (26,940 points)

    Can I mix clips from both cameras in the same timeline?

    Yep. They are essentially the same frame rate.

     

    As Shane noted, next time if you want a straight 24p recording, use the 24pN settings in the camera recording setup.

     

    However, if you are going to mix the footage with other 29.97 material, the way you (inadvertently) recorded is the better way to go.

     

    x

  • 3. Re: Editing time base
    LawrenceFerr01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks so much for your help. I do not use the P2 cards. I am using the external hard drive from DTE technologies. So,  I cannot shot 24PN.

     

    Cost a fraction of the price and provides over 2 hrs of HDVHD recording in the highest format.

     

    But you bring up an important point. Maybe by not being able to shoot 24p, this device is not allowing me to shoot with the highest quality? ( 24P)

     

    ANd it brings up another point. If it shoots at 59.97, then if I use variable frame rate of 60, then it will NOT be slo-motion in the 59.97 timeline?

     

    Thanks

  • 4. Re: Editing time base
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    If you are editing in a 59.94...60fps...timeline, then shooting 60fps for smooth slow motion won't work. You need to shoot at a frame rate higher than that you are using.  So for 60fps, you need to shoot 120fps, 200fps.  60fps works great for timebases of 30fps, 24fps.

  • 5. Re: Editing time base
    LawrenceFerr01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I got it. Thanks for your help. So when I shoot FilmCAM mode, and 720P24, due to the Firestore, it records at 60., ( or the so-called "over 60").

     

    This means that once imported to FC Studio, the editing timeline is 59.97.  I purchased the camera for the same reasons most people do. To get that 24 progressive frames and have a film like look.

     

    1. Does this mean that editing in a 59.97 time base as dictated by the use of the FireStore, I am not taking advantage of the 24 progressive frames?

     

    2. If I use the Variable Frame Rate, and shoot in 60FPS, then I am unable to get the smooth slo-mo feel? The camera maxes out at 60 FPS.

     

    Using the Firestore, seems to eliminate all of the benefits of this great camera. I don't get the full effect of 24 progressive frames and I can't overcrank to get slo-mo. IS THIS CORRECT?

  • 6. Re: Editing time base
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    >1. Does this mean that editing in a 59.97 time base as dictated by the use of the FireStore, I am not taking advantage of the 24 progressive frames?

     

    Yup.  The only way to get 720p at 23.98 is with a P2 card and shooting at 720p 24PN.  You can shoot 1080i 24pA with the card as well, and FCP will remove the advanced pulldown.  I don't think the Firestore records the Advanced pulldown...worth a test.

     

    >2. If I use the Variable Frame Rate, and shoot in 60FPS, then I am unable to get the smooth slo-mo feel? The camera maxes out at 60 FPS.

     

    Yup.  You are not able to get smooth slow motion if you shoot 60fps for use in a 60fps sequence.  Just like 30fps slowed down in a 30fps sequence isn't smooth. 


    >I purchased the camera for the same reasons most people do. To get that 24 progressive frames and have a film like look.

     

    Then get a 64GB P2 card.  They are only like $650.

     

    >Using the Firestore, seems to eliminate all of the benefits of this great camera.

     

    WRONG!  You reap a LOT of benefit of this camera.  Shooting 4:2:2 color space, instead of 4:2:0 that AVCHD, HDV, XDCAM shoot in.  Shooting with 3 CCDS, and not a single sensor that can give you rolling shutter (CMOS sensor).  Nice codec for easy editing in FCP (DVCPRO HD).  You can also shoot directly to QT on the firestore, eliminating the need to log and transfer. 

     

    But yes, the P2 card, that the camera was designed for, has more options. You bought a great camera, but a third party add-on device that doesn't do everything that a P2 card does.  BUT, I think the drive can record 1080i 24pA...and you can remove pulldown to get to 23.98.  And then shoot 720p60 for smooth slow motion...upscale the footage 50% from 720p to 1080.  It doesn't do a bad job of that.

  • 7. Re: Editing time base
    LawrenceFerr01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks God for Shane Ross.

     

    You are amazing. Thanks for your helpful answer.