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Late 2008 Unibody Macbook--SSD?

The fiance has an oldish Late 2008 Unibody Macbook (before they rebadged them into Pros...) that I'm looking to breath some life into. It's a real dog and I was thinking I might put a 120GB SSD into it. She's already upgraded to Lion so that should help, but...


I keep finding SSDs are notoriously finicky in Macbooks. I have found many people complaining the most popular models (Crucial M4, OCZ Vertex) will not work in a Macbook of this vintage.


Are there any drives that are known to work well with this machine? If it had an SSD she could probably get 3 or more years out of it, but it's a total dog with the old hard drive.


Thanks for any help.

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.7.3), Late 2008

Posted on Mar 21, 2012 7:32 PM

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Posted on Mar 21, 2012 7:42 PM

If it's a late 2008 model that's running Lion, then you very well need more RAM, not an SSD. For decent performance with Lion you need 4 GBs of installed RAM - more if you tend to run a lot of concurrent applications that require a lot of RAM. Having a too small SSD may not be as useful as a large, fast HDD.


For the most compatible and fastest SSDs check out those at OWC. Or consider installing a Seagate XT Hybrid HDD. I'm not convinced why you think an SSD will give the computer another three years or more of use. It's already a four year old computer. It's really about ready to be replaced.


It wouldn't hurt to perform some system maintenance:


Kappy's Personal Suggestions for OS X Maintenance


For disk repairs use Disk Utility. For situations DU cannot handle the best third-party utilities are: Disk Warrior; DW only fixes problems with the disk directory, but most disk problems are caused by directory corruption; Disk Warrior 4.x is now Intel Mac compatible. Drive Genius provides additional tools not found in Disk Warrior. Versions 1.5.1 and later are Intel Mac compatible.


OS X performs certain maintenance functions that are scheduled to occur on a daily, weekly, or monthly period. The maintenance scripts run in the early AM only if the computer is turned on 24/7 (no sleep.) If this isn't the case, then an excellent solution is to download and install a shareware utility such as Macaroni, JAW PseudoAnacron, or Anacron that will automate the maintenance activity regardless of whether the computer is turned off or asleep. Dependence upon third-party utilities to run the periodic maintenance scripts was significantly reduced since Tiger. These utilities have limited or no functionality with Snow Leopard or Lion and should not be installed.


OS X automatically defragments files less than 20 MBs in size, so unless you have a disk full of very large files there's little need for defragmenting the hard drive. As for virus protection there are few if any such animals affecting OS X. You can protect the computer easily using the freeware Open Source virus protection software ClamXAV. Personally I would avoid most commercial anti-virus software because of their potential for causing problems. For more about malware see Macintosh Virus Guide.


I would also recommend downloading a utility such as TinkerTool System, OnyX 2.4.3, or Cocktail 5.1.1 that you can use for periodic maintenance such as removing old log files and archives, clearing caches, etc.


For emergency repairs install the freeware utility Applejack. If you cannot start up in OS X, you may be able to start in single-user mode from which you can run Applejack to do a whole set of repair and maintenance routines from the command line. Note that AppleJack 1.5 is required for Leopard. AppleJack 1.6 is compatible with Snow Leopard. There is no confirmation that this version also works with Lion.


When you install any new system software or updates be sure to repair the hard drive and permissions beforehand. I also recommend booting into safe mode before doing system software updates.


Get an external Firewire drive at least equal in size to the internal hard drive and make (and maintain) a bootable clone/backup. You can make a bootable clone using the Restore option of Disk Utility. You can also make and maintain clones with good backup software. My personal recommendations are (order is not significant):


Carbon Copy Cloner

Data Backup

Deja Vu

SuperDuper!

SyncTwoFolders

Synk Pro

Synk Standard

Tri-Backup


Visit The XLab FAQs and read the FAQs on maintenance, optimization, virus protection, and backup and restore.


Additional suggestions will be found in Mac Maintenance Quick Assist.


Referenced software can be found at CNet Downloads or MacUpdate.


Be sure you have an adequate amount of RAM installed for the number of applications you run concurrently. Be sure you leave a minimum of 10% of the hard drive's capacity as free space.

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Dec 28, 2014 10:46 AM in response to SeaPapp

Mike, I had installed a SSD some time ago (two years?). I installed Yosemite when it was released not realizing that Trim Enabler would be automatically turned off. Quite accidentally I decided to check TE about two months ago and discovered it was Off.


At that point I did as much research as I could... Finally I made the choice to activate Trim and disable kext security signing. That's my personal choice based on my own computing habits. So far there have been no disasters. Fingers crossed. Whether the risk is worth taking I think depends on one's own computing habits. Mine are pretty routine and I am not about to do anything adventurous, so I'm guessing Im ok.

Dec 28, 2014 6:07 PM in response to SeaPapp

Apparently there is a third option, viz. to "trim" the drive occasionally! See the post in this thread:

http://www.larryjordan.biz/caution-ssd-drives-and-yosemite/


If you only wish to “trim” your SSD’s once in a while, then instead of turning trim on and turning KEXT off, there is a much better method.

Reboot your mac and Go into Recovery mode (while rebooting keep the Command + R buttons pressed). Once in recovery, go to Disk Utility. There, click on “Repair Disk”. Although there might be no problems with your disk, the essence is that at the end of the Repair Disk, the Disk Utility runs the trim command on the disk and that should probably do the trick. Check the messages that are displayed on the Disk Utility while you are repairing your SSD drive, you’ll see what I mean.

Feb 3, 2015 11:32 PM in response to SeaPapp

Hey, I am a bit confused… didn't you earlier recommend to avoid the SSD3 with SandForce? (I do have NVidia MCP79 …. ) The OWC SSD uses SandForce.

Thanks.


I am considering upgrading my late 2008 MacBook aluminum with an SSD and am trying to figure out the requirements. From this thread, I am concluding that - I need SATA, but not SATA III

- I need 3gb/s and not 6gb/s

- Yosemite kills Trim, so better go with OWC (and potentially occasional disk repair) to avoid the need for trim

Do I have the basics right?


Also, do I need a special case for the cloning step of transitioning to the new hard drive?

And can I use the old hard drive as an external storage after I yank it out?

Feb 4, 2015 4:17 AM in response to azsym

Lets deal with the questions first:


Also, do I need a special case for the cloning step of transitioning to the new hard drive?

And can I use the old hard drive as an external storage after I yank it out?


To transfer data between the drives, you need to be able to connect both drives at the same. You can do that with an inexpensive enclosure like this for example. This is just an example. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=177939 9&CatId=2781


Put the new drive in the enclosure, connect it and transfer the data. Next, verify that you can boot from the external and use it to check that the drive has everything it should have.


Next swap the drives. And yes, you can now use the old drive as an external.


From this thread, I am concluding that - I need SATA, but not SATA III

You can use SATA I, II or III. The faster drives will work - they are backwards compatible.


Finally, a comment about Trim on Yosemite. My understanding is that the kext signing security feature was implemented on Yosemite, and does not exist in Mavericks. If that is the case, I see no benefit in going back to Mavericks to keep Trim enabled. In both cases - Trim with Mavericks or Trim in modified Yosemite - there is no kext signing security.

Feb 4, 2015 5:03 AM in response to azsym

According to OWC support due to a hardware conflict if you have the Nvidia MCP79 (3GB) controller you should avoid using SATA III (6GB) ssds that use the sandforce controller as they will only run at SATA I (1.5GB) speeds. A SATA II (3GB) SSD will run at full speed even if it has a sandforce controller. A Samsung drive even though it's SATA III will run at SATA II speeds because it doesn't use sandforce.

OWC says that their drives don't need TRIM because of the garbage collection scheme that they use but there are conflicting reports on that too, it all depends on who you choose to believe. I put an OWC SATA II 3GB SSD in my imac recently and right now have not enabled TRIM. I'm waiting for an update to Cindori's software that hopefully will work in Yosemite without turning off kext signing.

You just need a 2.5" usb drive enclosure and can certainly use the old drive for storage. Partition and format the new SSD before you put it in your macbook.

Does that make it more clear?

Feb 4, 2015 11:39 AM in response to Eustace Mendis

Eustace Mendis wrote:


Finally, a comment about Trim on Yosemite. My understanding is that the kext signing security feature was implemented on Yosemite, and does not exist in Mavericks. If that is the case, I see no benefit in going back to Mavericks to keep Trim enabled. In both cases - Trim with Mavericks or Trim in modified Yosemite - there is no kext signing security.


I agree to a point.....I suppose the security issue is a wash between the two OS's but in Yosemite if you reset the PRAM or update your OS and forget to turn off TRIM your Mac isn't going to start. Could be a problem for some.

Nov 16, 2015 4:31 AM in response to SeaPapp

Hey guys, i would be really glad if someone could help me. My english is not the best but i think u understand what my problem is.

So i wanted to upgrade my macbook late 2008 with an SSD. I already got 4 gb of ram in it. I bought the PATRIOT Blast with 240 gb which should work with macbooks. Because the macbook is that old i wanted to set it up new. I made a bootable usb stick which all worked well. I put the ssd in an USB case and connected it to the macbook. Then i installed os x from the usb stick to the ssd (all by usb).

Everything worked fine but only if the ssd is connected by usb!!! By usb the macbook boots very fast and easy but when i connect the ssd with the sata cable, it starts but nothing happens, only the apple logo and a full loading bar...

When i press "alt" after starting tone, i can boot via ssd and the recovery partition... So everything looks good but why isn't it working? 😟

I also resetted pram or how it is called: pressing option + cmd + p + r.

Any ideas what could cause the problem? Is the sata cable not working with the newest ssd's? But it should be downgradable and i mean, the macbook is recognizing the ssd but only boots when it's connected via usb.

Late 2008 Unibody Macbook--SSD?

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