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External disk - repair permissions

It seems the permissions on my HD need to be repaired.


Unfortunately I have lost the Repair disk during an international move.


I still have the install disk - so I tried to install OS 10.6 onto an external drive. The intention was to boot from the external drive and repair permisions on the MacBook HD.


The installation kept showing the external disk as having not been ejected correctly, which is not correct. Anyway, I erased all partitions on this external disk, using Disk Utility, did a 7 pass erase, and then also ran the repair disk function too; Disk Utilityshowed that there were no issues with this external disk. However, I still got the same result from the OS installation program, that the external disk had not been ejected correctly. I went around in the circle a number of times before giving up.


Now I am at a loss how to make the external boot disk to repair permisions on the computer HD.


I know in the distant past it was possible to just copy the System folder to an external drive and it would boot; but I was told this no longer works.


Any get around this issue or a solution would be most welcome.


Thank you

Posted on Apr 3, 2012 2:03 PM

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Apr 3, 2012 9:31 PM in response to Memoire

Memoire wrote:


It seems the permissions on my HD need to be repaired.

Why?

Unfortunately I have lost the Repair disk during an international move.

What "Repair disk"?

The intention was to boot from the external drive and repair permisions on the MacBook HD.

If necessary (which is seldom), permissions should be repaired from the selfsame disk.


See


About Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions feature

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1452>


Troubleshooting permissions issues in Mac OS X

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2963>

Apr 4, 2012 12:35 AM in response to fane_j

Why not is the only reply to the first question.


It seems that there is a theory that you don't need to repair permissions anymore. When files loose their connection with the program that created them is one example why permisions need to be repaired. Also instability starts to compound if the permissions are not resolved I have found over the years.


The last time I had issues was 18 months ago and running repair disk permissions solved all the instability problems; I don't think I was dillusional about this; so as I have warnings to repair disk permissions and instability issues I what I want to repair the permissions; that is irrespective of any currrent thought that this isn't necessary.


The repair disk has a minimal system and disk utilities on it that allows you to boot from the DVD and repair the internal HD. In the early days you could just drag a minimal of certain files from the system onto a flopy or latter a CD together with disk repair and it would do the job. I lost my repair disk, so I want to create a system on an external drive which together with Disk Utility so I can repair the permissions. Or even make a DVD with a minimum system and disk utilities.


You can't repair permissions from the HD that has issues, ("If necessary (which is seldom), permissions should be repaired from the selfsame disk.') well at least up to OS10.6, you need an external system to do this, i.e. external HD or DVD. Apple genius bars use external drives to do this; being in Spain there is only one of those some 3+ hours away; a final option if I can't get success.


As I mentioned when I tried to install OS10.6 onto an external drive I had issues doing this, as covered in my initial email.

Apr 4, 2012 1:07 AM in response to Memoire

It seems that there is a theory that you don't need to repair permissions anymore.


Correct. It is unnecessary and doen't repair your permissions anyway.


About Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions feature


When files loose their connection with the program that created them is one example why permisions need to be repaired.


No, that is an indication that Launch Services has got corrupted or confused and maybe it needs rebuilding. Repair permissions does nothing to the launch services data base.


The last time I had issues was 18 months ago and running repair disk permissions solved all the instability problems; I don't think I was dillusional about this; so as I have warnings to repair disk permissions and instability issues I what I want to repair the permissions; that is irrespective of any currrent thought that this isn't necessary.


You believe what you want. Read the link about repairing permissions and what it does.


The repair disk has a minimal system and disk utilities on it that allows you to boot from the DVD and repair the internal HD. In the early days you could just drag a minimal of certain files from the system onto a flopy or latter a CD together with disk repair and it would do the job. I lost my repair disk, so I want to create a system on an external drive which together with Disk Utility so I can repair the permissions. Or even make a DVD with a minimum system and disk utilities.


There is no such thing as a "repair disk". You have installer dvd's that came with your hardware or the recovery partition that is part of Lion. You boot it and run Disk Utility to verify/repair, and yes, if you insist, repair permissions. Or you boot from another bootable disk and use its Disk Utilities to repair/verify your drives from there. That is because you cannot repair the drive you are currently booted from.


You can't repair permissions from the HD that has issues, ("If necessary (which is seldom), permissions should be repaired from the selfsame disk.') well at least up to OS10.6, you need an external system to do this, i.e. external HD or DVD. Apple genius bars use external drives to do this; being in Spain there is only one of those some 3+ hours away; a final option if I can't get success.


I basically just said this immediately above.


As I mentioned when I tried to install OS10.6 onto an external drive I had issues doing this, as covered in my initial email.


First a 7-pass erase it a complete waste of time when a simple erase will do. Second I think the you are getting "disk ejected improperly" because you may have one of those enclosures that has a tendency to go off line on its own, which of course is indeed ejecting the disk incorrectly. I'm guessing on this last point of course but it seems reasonable to me.

Apr 4, 2012 1:07 AM in response to Memoire

Memoire wrote:


When files loose their connection with the program that created them

Did you actually bother to read the Apple KB articles I referred you to?

The repair disk

As you've already been told, there's no such thing. Perhaps you installed the OS on an external device to use in case of emergency; that's a wise precaution, but not something provided by Apple.

You can't repair permissions from the HD that has issues

Read "Should I start up from a Mac OS X install disc to repair disk permissions?" in HT1452. In fact, read both articles, and make sure you understand them.

Apr 4, 2012 2:38 AM in response to X423424X

X423424X wrote:


Repair permissions does nothing to the launch services data base.

I remember reading on some board a succinct description of repair permissions. Something along the lines of "a procedure that does something quite specific, but has become a totemic 'catch-all' placebo". I thought it sounded rather good. It's certainly apt.

Apr 4, 2012 3:12 AM in response to fane_j

Well fane_j yes I read the articles, thank you; you actually sound like you have the attitude of a school teacher :-) However, I still want to address what I want to do, i.e. repair disk permissions.


I have used Macs since 1984 so my question was based on what I need and want to do; but I also respect that you may have a different opinion. I found over the last decade that the Mac community has lost some of the 'Kindness' it had in the early days.


X423424X yes I do believe that I need to repair permissions, what I want is based on my experience, which makes sense to me; the last time I was in the USA and needed to repair disk permission the Apple Store Genious bar staff did it for me and resolved all the issues that I was having at the time. Actually, I had a lot of repair disks from the 10 or so Macs I have had over the last 28 years; I am sure that one came with this Mac too.


I am not really focusing on sermatics here but on the fact that I just want to run disk permissions on the internal HD, irrespective on anyone elses personal opinion that this is action is not necessary. But I thank you for your comments about using the install disk to do what I require; I will also try to look into the points to use the recory partition you mentioned.


Some people have the system and Disk Utility on a USB to do what I want to do, so I will also look into that too.

Apr 4, 2012 3:16 AM in response to X423424X

X423424X wrote:


It certainly is. I've seen some many of these "I repaired permissions" posts as part of what the posters do to attempt to fix their problem(s) that I've started qualifying my "use DU to repair drive" with "(not repair permissions)".

Yes, you are correct; perhaps that is a more descript description, "repair the HD"

Apr 4, 2012 5:03 AM in response to X423424X

The suggestion to use the Install disk worked; thank you for pointing me in the right direction. It did however require the use of repair disk permissions as the repair disk results showed the Suid file @ system/Library/Core needed repair, then on running repair permissions a whole list of permissions requiring repair showed up.


How I would now answer my original post.


Use you installation DVD; put into drive. Then under the Apple menu select 'Restart' while keep holding down the option Key until the HD and DVD icons show on the screen. Select the DVD icon by clicking on it, then click the arrow under than. When you see the install screen, go to the top menu and select Disk Utility. Once loaded you can thge repair your disk and if necessary the permissions.


The exact solution!

Apr 4, 2012 5:27 AM in response to Memoire

Memoire wrote:


repair disk results showed the Suid file @ system/Library/Core needed repair, then on running repair permissions a whole list of permissions requiring repair showed up.

That's not repair disk, but repair disk permissions.

User uploaded file

As to permissions requiring repair, see


Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you can safely ignore

<http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1448>

Apr 4, 2012 5:31 AM in response to Memoire

The exact solution!

Not really. You don't want to repair Permissions booted from the install DVD. This will give you the Permissions for the version on the DVD. Since you are running 10.6.8, not 10.6.2 or.3, the disc version, repairing from the DVD will actually introduce errors, which will then have to be repaired while booted normally. You should always repair Permissions booted normally.


Permissions repair in earlier versions of OS X, perhaps even as recent as Tiger (and doubtful even there) may once have been a useful general troubleshooting step, but no longer. I have never seen my Permissions altered one wit since I've been running Snow Leopard (and Leopard.)


Some suggested reading on the myth of Permissions repair.


http://unsanity.org/archives/000410.php

Apr 4, 2012 5:34 AM in response to fane_j

Sorry fane_j I can understand your logic or what you are trying to get at; the issue is now resolved. It turned out quite simple thanks to the hint from X423424X


I ran Repair Disk, then ran Repair Disk Permissions; I can't understand what point you are trying to make, you seem off on a tangent again. My original post was addressing the issue I was having with: "The intention was to boot from the external drive and repair permisions on the MacBook HD."


The Suid File corruption was show within Repair Disk. Once Repair Disk Permissions was run this error was resolved.

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