Currently Being ModeratedApr 8, 2012 8:40 PM (in response to Stephen Schulte1)
I can not explain it, but others have reported the same problem with .MOV files.
One thing to try is to copy the videos into iTunes Movies, select one and click on Advanced at the top of the screen. Click on "Create iPod or iPhone version". If successfully converted, it should transfer and play on the iPad.
Another approach is to convert the video format using a conversion program such as HandBrake. <Download HandBrake>
Currently Being ModeratedApr 9, 2012 10:31 AM (in response to Fred*M.)
Let me try to clarify this a bit: (A). avi files copied from the Camera Connection Kit play on my iPad 3; but (B) avi files that are in my iPhoto on my Mac don't copy to iPad. I kinda understand "B"* - but am perplexed by "A"- i.e. if an un-converted avi file plays on the iPad, why won't the iPhoto avi files (the exact same ones!) come over? Perhaps because iTunes controls this (but it doesn't when I use the Camera Conversion Kit!) -
*Basically, as I understand it, iTunes won't import any video into iTunes unless it is m4v (I mistakenly wrote m4e above, should be m4v) or MP4. And I have no problem converting the .avi or even .mov files (using HandBrake for MP4 or QuickTime to get m4v files).
Appreciate any comment here from you or others-- I'll retry importing from the CCK with various formats - sure would be nice to have the avi videos import to the iPad like they do on the Mac-- right in iPhoto - HEY WONDER if the $4.99 iPhoto for iPad app will let me do that???
Thanks, Steve Monday 9 April 2012
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2012 3:35 AM (in response to Stephen Schulte1)
Can anyone reply here to try to clarify why imported .avi files (imported via Camera Conversion Kit) play on my iPad but if via iTunes sync, they won't even get transferred!
Thanks for any comments.
Saturday 28 April 2012
Currently Being ModeratedMay 14, 2012 1:44 AM (in response to Stephen Schulte1)
Any ideas out there? Can anyone reply here to try to clarify why imported .avi files (imported via Camera Conversion Kit) play on my iPad but if via iTunes sync, they won't even get transferred!
I don't get warnings about .MOV files if I choose not to import videos that are in my events in iPhoto. BUT even when I do click that, .avi and .mov files won't move to my iPad (they need to be in m4v or MP4 formats - but why do .mov files give a warning and not .avi?
AND why do .avi files import via the camera connection kit AND PLAY JUST FINE on my iPad 3 without any conversion?!?!?
Thanks for any comments.
14 May 2012
Currently Being ModeratedMay 15, 2012 10:04 PM (in response to Stephen Schulte1)
It looks like no one knows why it works that way. It just does. I wonder if enough people provided feedback to Apple about the problem, they might fix it? Try <iPad Feedback>.
Did you try transfering the AVI and MOV files to iTunes on your computer, and converting them as I suggested above? Until Apple changes the system, conversion may be the only solution.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 20, 2012 10:28 PM (in response to Fred*M.)
- "I wonder if enough people provided feedback to Apple about the problem, they might fix it?"
So unlikely it's sick...if there's one thing Apply doesn't care about much, it's compatibility with anything other than Apple hardware, software or file formats. The iPad could be EVERYTHING to EVERYONE if it wasn't for their stubborn, elitest attitude - starting with compatibility with the .avi format, since only 99% of videos are already there. But no, convert your massive video library instead to ruin your user experience, because what's in it for Apple? Nothing...so don't expect a fix anytime soon...
I was seriously becoming an Apple fan until I started to see how the systems and hardware are actually far more rigid and controlled than the PC world, which isn't at ALL what I thought the case to be!
Currently Being ModeratedMay 20, 2012 11:44 PM (in response to CK K-os)
AVI is a container format. It does not have a specific video or audio codec associated with it.
You can put almost any video or audio codec in it. So which ones is Apple suppose to support?
It is old (released in '92) and obsolete. It does not support as many features as newer formats(mp4, ogg, Mkv).
It is was almost only used by torrent & pirate sites.
If you feel you just can't live without your pirated material(even though most torrent sites have switched to mp4), go to the app store and download a third party player.
Cinexplayer, avplayerhd, oplayer, etc.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 20, 2012 11:59 PM (in response to Johnathan Burger)
AVI is still widely supported by recent cameras. Just to name a well-known example: Olympus PEN E-P3 (release year: 2011)
That is, while the movie pirate scene has indeed completely switched to MKV's and RMVB's, there is still use for AVI import. This is why Apple have also implemented importing it via the CCK.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 21, 2012 12:39 AM (in response to CK K-os)
"So unlikely it's sick...if there's one thing Apply doesn't care about much, it's compatibility with anything other than Apple hardware, software or file formats. The iPad could be EVERYTHING to EVERYONE if it wasn't for their stubborn, elitest attitude - starting with compatibility with the .avi format, since only 99% of videos are already there. But no, convert your massive video library instead to ruin your user experience, because what's in it for Apple? Nothing...so don't expect a fix anytime soon..."
As has been explained above, many (current) cameras use AVI either as their native video format or at least a second one when the user needs M-JPEG instead of H.264. This is why Apple has chosen to import it.
The problem with AVI's not coming from cameras is that these files can (and do!) have virtually ANYTHING in them. For example, the vastly outdated MSMPEG-4 format (an example of such AVI's is at http://mirrorblender.top-ix.org/peach/bigbuckbunny_movies/big_buck_bunny_1080p_s tereo.avi ). Why would Apple need to go through of ALL possible, even vastly outdated and rare formats to provide support for them? Again, currently, it's only cameras that use AVI's with predictable content format - unlike with old / pirated AVI's.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 21, 2012 2:13 AM (in response to Menneisyys)
This has been answered before, and is answered above, but I'll also throw it down;
The built in video player on the iPad is built to play video using the built in hardware video decoding chip.
This chip saves battery power when decoding video, and is very effecient.
Apple thus limits how you can import video so that only compatible video plays easily.
The Movies app imports via iTunes, and iTunes will only allow Quicktime video; so you cannot import avi videos that way.
iTunes is rather grumpy about what types of files it allows, and it is not built to interogate video files to check their integrity. Quicktime files it does give a quick sniff of, and allow if they are the correct format.
The camera connection kit allows import or avi containers that have video encoded with MJPEG; this is a fairly common format for digital cameras.
This allows you to view your home videos that you shot on your avi-MJPEG camera.
When you plug in a camera, or SD card the iPad itself interogates the video files quickly, it it can read them it will allow them in, if it cannot it ignores them.
No other formats of avi can be viewed with built in apps or hardware on the iPad.
There are though many apps that play many flavours of avi, rmvb, flv, mkv in the app store.
I recommend OPlayer.
You can import via the apps tab of itunes_ipad
Hope this helps.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 21, 2012 2:22 AM (in response to Johnathan Burger)
Johnathan, -- I wrote this below in bold then the discussions site went down for maintenance and then Menneisyys and Kiwiphone4 replied and I think they are confirming what I'm saying here (only a bit more technically correct).
Thanks for your comment – but my issue is not with pirated or other movie video from the www, rather (as Menneisyys points-out) with videos I take with my Nikon Coolshot camera. What has perplexed me is this:
I synced about 100 events (containing both photos as well as .avi "video" files) from my MacBook Pro-13" (10.6.8) to my new iPad 3. NONE of the avi files transferred---
…then I transferred an avi file from an SD card using the Camera Connection Kit - and the video played just fine!
Why on the same iPad with the same .avi video does it transfer via the CCK and play on the iPad, but not via an iTunes transfer.
PERHAPS THIS?!: The .avi movie NEVER MAKES IT into iTunes because iTunes cannot play an avi movie; therefore if it is not there, it can't be transferred. That must be it or something like that. (The avi movie I transfer from my Nikon is in iPhoto - and it plays in iPhoto - but since photo and video transfers to the iPad go via iTunes, and iTunes apparently can't bring-in avi, then it cannot act as the "bridge" in the way the CCK does.
Is that it?
Thanks everyone for any comments.
Monday 21 May 2012
Currently Being ModeratedMay 21, 2012 2:28 AM (in response to Stephen Schulte1)
Have you tried importing the video via the photos tab in iTunes/iPad?
If you sync photos via iTunes, you can tick the sync videos button.
I have been able to Sync avi-MJPEG via the photos tab before.
iTunes just does not allow avi in the "Movies" section.
This is the major pain with the term Movies versus Video in iTunes.
I get this very same issue cropping up all the time in the iMovie iOS forum.
People asking how to get video into the iPad that you can edit.
It has to be imported via the 'Photos' import in iTunes.
This will import the video to the 'Photos' app, and then you can play it, or edit it in iMovie iOS.
About time it was called the media app, not the photos app!
Currently Being ModeratedMay 21, 2012 2:29 AM (in response to Kiwiphone4)
"There are though many apps that play many flavours of avi, rmvb, flv, mkv in the app store.
I recommend OPlayer."
Yup, OPlayer isn't bad.
Just keep in mind that
- OPlayer is especially weak at playing back any kind of WMV3 (WMV1/WMV2 are OK) or MPEG-2 TS (aka DVB) files
- its H.264 decoder is definitely weaker than that of AVPlayerHD / ProPlayer at 1080p
- it has no nice features like audio (volume boost, reverb etc.) or video (brightness, contast, saturation etc.) DSP's, unlike several other players (GoodPlayer, "It's Playing" etc.)
- its 1080p60 MTS support is definitely weaker than the best of the bunch
Also note that you must enable hardware MP4/M4V/MOV playback (it's disabled by default, enable at: Settings / Plugin / Use QuickTime) as it's disabled by default.
On another note, it has a very good MSMPEG4 (many legacy AVI's contain video streams in this format) and OGG Vorbis video decoder.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 21, 2012 2:30 AM (in response to Kiwiphone4)
Thanks Kiwiphone4! Concerning Oplayer - is this an app formatted for iPad (the screenshots seem to be iPhone type…) Not a big deal, but so much nicer to use iPad formatted apps in iPad landscape mode.
Also: If I now have, for example, 20 "Nikon-taken .avi movies" in iPhoto in my "Summer vacation event" and I want to move them directly to my iPad 3 running iOS 5.1.1 with OPlayer installed: Can I do that? It seems I have to go via iTunes - but I won't find those avi movies in iTunes, will I? (Just in iPhoto).
Thanks for any comments.
Monday 21 May 2012