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Apr 8, 2012 11:11 AM

My printer requires me to provide a PDF file, in CMYK format, with 3mm bleed - I don't think that Pages offers this sort of option - am I correct?

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.3), iWork Pages
  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,320 points)

    Not directly.

     

    You have to manually construct a 10mm margin with crop marks around the document and use 3mm of that for the bleed. Something I have not had to do since the 1980's.

     

    Pages does output to cmyk but there are problems if you go to pdf with transparency which includes, shadows, reflections, some frames and direct transparency with bitmaps.

     

    Pages is designed to output to desktop printers. Some users have successfully gone to commercial printers, mainly inhouse with direct output from Pages to the RIP. As there are problems with managing colors and no tools to verify everything is printable, I consider Pages the wrong tool for the job.

     

    Peter

  • fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (14,730 points)

    If you want to pursue using Pages you can have a look at this site http://i-work-in-pages.blogspot.se/  and I think there is a template at this site http://www.iworkcommunity.com/

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,320 points)
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    Apr 9, 2012 1:21 AM (in response to fruhulda)

    fruhulda

     

    I have checked I Work in Pages at odd intervals. Obviously Alexander thinks he knows what he is talking about, but really he is stumbling around, and seems to only grasp half of what is going on.

     

    Particularly his workflow via PostScript and then to pdf via Distiller is plain wrong. OSX goes via its own internal pdf conversion to get to the PS, so all he has done is taken an unnecessary detour. The PostScript conversion was something we did back in the 90's in Mac Classic and it didn't work too well back then either.

     

    He is also being fooled by Acrobat's/pdf ability to force unnatural resolution, and doesn't understand the issues with transparency.

     

    I don't want to be too harsh but you only have to look at his work. He is a keen amateur and as such has not truly tested his output and is misinterpreting the results because he doesn't really understand what is going on.

     

    Peter

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,320 points)

    You give up too easily.

     

    http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewtopic.php?t=137&mforum=iworktips ntrick

     

    Swift Publishing has bleeds and imposition. However anything that uses OSX's print engine (Windows is equally as bad) will still not be a professional tool. For a start there is no support for spot inks.

     

    iCalamus claims they can provide pdfx-3 output. Their workflow may work for other OSX appliactions as well as the Automator workflows should appear as part of print dialogs. Be aware that I have not tested this myself.

     

    Peter

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,320 points)

    btw I am impressed by a company that charges £68.13 for the software, then an extra £14.99 for the user guide, and another £29.99 for the resources guide.

     

    Is it just PC users that buy on the installment plan because they think its cheaper?

     

    Peter

  • fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (14,730 points)

    Did you try the template on iworkcommunity? http://www.iworkcommunity.com/content/printers-marks

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,320 points)

    Colin

     

    You do not have to pay full price for Mac software either.

     

    There are frequent bundles and deals. I have got most of my software in those and just picked up Capture One Pro for less than half price. Nearly everything else I have got for a fraction of the price.

     

    These are just a few of the deals to subscribe to:

     

    http://www.macpromo.com

     

    http://www.appsumo.com

     

    http://www.mightydeals.com

     

    http://www.bitsdujour.com/

     

    http://www.macbundle.som

     

    http://macheist.com/

     

    http://medialoot.com

     

    http://maczot.com/

     

    http://macbundlebox.com

     

    http://www.getdealy.com

     

    https://store3.esellerate.net

     

    http://www.squidoo.com/current-mac-bundles

     

    …and others I can't think of for the moment.

     

    I did have a look at it once earlier and would have to put it through a complete test to see if it is adequate, but on the face of it Serif PagePlus does hit a lot of the more professional requirements. Pity that Apple doesn't feel itself challenged and do the same with Pages.

     

    Am I right in thinking however that Serif PagePlus does not have spreadsheets however? That is one of Pages great features.

     

    Peter

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,760 points)
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    Apr 10, 2012 2:36 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)

    Hello Peter

     

    PeterBreis0807 wrote:

     

    btw I am impressed by a company that charges £68.13 for the software, then an extra £14.99 for the user guide, and another £29.99 for the resources guide.

     

    Is it just PC users that buy on the installment plan because they think its cheaper?

     

    Peter

    If it's related to iCalamus, my understanding that £14.99 is the price of the printed user guide but that the same resources are available as PDF in the application's package.

    If I'm right it's a good formula.

    I no longer use printed User Guides so I feel that it would be odd to pay for a paperbook which I would never open.

    It's the same for Adobe products: only users which really want a printed guide buy it. It spare cash and paper

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 10 avril 2012

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  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (27,320 points)
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    Apr 10, 2012 4:23 AM (in response to KOENIG Yvan)

    No, not iCalamus, that was for Serif PagePlus. They charge for all the, usually included, support documentation.

     

    Peter

  • Henrik Holmegaard Level 3 Level 3 (575 points)

    > My printer requires me to provide a PDF file, in CMYK format, with 3mm bleed - I don't think that Pages offers this sort of option - am I correct?

     

    Colin,

     

    If a printer asks for pre-separated data, this is possible with ISO 12647 and ISO 15930 printing standards if and only if the printer tells you what the printing condition in fact is, that is, what is the colourimetry of the paper, what is the colourimetry of the ink set, and what is the press calibration.

     

    If you provide pre-separated data, then you have to know what paper and ink consumables and press calibrations are involved in the purchase of the print provider's service. Since 1995, there has been an industry standard for interchange of such information: the ICC Specification.

     

    For what it's worth, I wrote part of the early press evangelisation for the ICC Specification in the UK through Prepress News and Electronic Imaging :-).

     

    /hh

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