How to get good slow motion w/FCPX?

Okay, so I've been trying to get some good slow motion video. I'm new to this whole video thing, but I'm fortunate enough to be able to have some cool toys even though I don't know how to use them yet! Anyway, here are my questions (prefaced by some details to help you answer my questions!).


What I'm working with:

Two cameras

1) GoPro shooting at 720p, 60 FPS

2) Canon Vixia HF G10 shooting at 1080i, 60 FPS

- In case my terminology is wrong, the GoPro shoots in 60p, and the Canon shoots at 60i....not sure the best way to describe it.

Editing with:

- FCPX

- I don't have Motion 5 or Compressor yet, but I can get it if its necessary for any reason


Goal that I'm working toward:

- I want to get some smooth "creamy" slow motion footage every now and then when the video I'm making calls for it.

- Here's a couple examples of the type of slow motion I'm hoping to end up with:

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- (right about at the 3:10 point)


Problem I'm having:

- With the GoPro (60p), I can only slow down to 50% speed before it starts to look choppy. Slower than that Optical Flow will work a little bit, but it still looks very amateur.

- With the Canon (60i, but much higher quality video), I can barely slow it down at all without it looking choppy and sloppy.


Questions:

- Am I doing something wrong?

- Do I need to download other software?

- Anybody willings to give me a step by step instruction?!

- I'm stumped...any help will be great!


Thanks!

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.3)

Posted on Apr 12, 2012 3:08 PM

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Apr 13, 2012 12:52 AM in response to iPuzzled1

In order to get smooth slow motion in post you need to shoot it for slow motion otherwise you will run into these limitations. Really good slow motion shooting is usually done at very high fps with special cameras like the Phantom but that comes with a very steep price.


Your GoPro shoots 720p60 which means the footage contains 60 progressive frames per second, so if you slow it down by 50% you get good slow motion. But try this: drop your 60p footage on your 24p timeline and choose "conform speed" from the retiming menu. That will give 40% speed that looks pretty good. Then try to slow it down further with optical flow .... but you will see the limitations quickly.

Some people also play with the shutter speed when shooting for slow mo but I don't know if the GoPro has options there.


If you want other options look into Twixtor or Lock'n Load.


The Canon Vixia shoots interlaced footage (60i) which means that you get 60 interlaced fields per second that create 30 frames. This clearly does not help and to my knowledge you do not have a 60p option with that camera.

Apr 13, 2012 7:11 AM in response to mishmumken

So, here's what I'm taking from this...correct me if I'm wrong:


With the GoPro, I can get consistent good slow motion down to around 40% due to the 60p fps. To get slower (like in the example videos), I'll need to get the right shot that is ideal for slow motion (I've noticed those shots have solid backgrounds behind the movement...like blue sky), and probably need to purchase twixtor or an equivalent piece of software.


For the Canon at 60i fps, I'm pretty much stuck with no slow motion unless twixtor can do some crazy f'n magic and make it look good....but even then it might not be able to go much slower than 40%-ish.


For the record, I haven't had much luck yet with optical flow working with the 60i. I've just started playing around with the 60p stuff from the GoPro.


Anyone else want to chim in????


Thanks again!

Apr 13, 2012 7:46 AM in response to iPuzzled1

As far as the 60i footage is concerned :

You can try Jes deinterlacer

http://jeschot.home.xs4all.nl/home.html

There is an option to slow down the footage by interpolating the fields into frames.

It's similar to what you're doing with go pro (conforming 60 to 30) but you do loose some vertical resolution if you stay at 1080, it looks pretty good tho.

If your final output will be 720p you'll never see the difference.


If you like the software don't forget to donate a little something. These little 3rd party apps can sometimes save the day.


Good luck

g

Apr 13, 2012 9:10 AM in response to iPuzzled1

Thank you both. I have heard of JES deinterlacer and have dowloaded...haven't had a chance to play with it yet though. I looked at it and it looked kinda complicated for my little inexperienced video editing brain!


Do either of you know of any good tutorials or guides for JES deinterlacer? I didn't get much from their website (unless I just overlooked it), and have so far had no luck tracking down other sites with good tutorials or guides.


Thanks again!

Apr 13, 2012 10:12 AM in response to iPuzzled1

I don't know of any tutorials but they do have a forum on their website.

You can also click on the (?) wherever it appears in the program. Lot's of info there.


For what you want to do it's pretty simple:

Under the project tab, make sure "deinterlace" is the function, select "Both Fields", select "double movie duration". That's pretty much it.


Do some short tests and experiment with other parameters.


best,

g

Apr 13, 2012 11:13 AM in response to iPuzzled1

I'm a bit short having time for my tests, but what I found out so far.


• avoid any 'natural motion blurr' in your recordings

• if optional on your device, select super-short shutter speed (<1/1000th), depending on 'action' in front of cam (ever wondered why those demos are preferred in bright sunlight? 😉 )

• avoid too high 'angle speed' = too fast too close: if the picture content changes too fast btw. frame#1 and frame#2 the eye is not able to blend the content = stutter

• Optical Flow: excellent on small angle speed, failing on fast angle speed or rotation:


watch my short demo here (YT-link) testing speeds and blending modes:

(recording 720/60p, ~1/1000th shutter speed, Project setting 25p)


• notice the perfect blending of motion far away from cam (player girl in green)

• notice the unwanted 'warp' effects around the player in blue close to cam, esp. legs

• notice the 'wobble' of rotating ball in 10% slowmo ... that is beyond Optical Flows skills 🙂


What I've seen so far from the famous TWIXTOR plugin for FCPX/Motion5, it lacks the 'plus' features (e.g. seperating background/layers) and has to be handled as unconvenient as the old version for FC/e (copy/paste clips to lengthen etc). Info: the vers. of Twixtor for FC/e and FC/p differed dramatically!


=> imho, the actual vers. of Twixtor4FCPX isn't worth the 300$ (yepp, three HUNDRED) …


and my personal opinion upon marketing: a plugin shouldn't be more expensive than its host 😁

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