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I live on a US sailboat right now off the coast of New Zealand. My Mac will only recognize power input from a land-based source. It will not charge from either a 110 or 220 outlet on the boat. Any suggestions?

I am about to heave this Mac and return to a PC. I need a working computer on my boat at all times. We are often off shore for days at a time and for many days on long passages. Often we are anchored off islands with no power. My computer must recharge itself from the power available on the boat, and this it will not do on a consistent basis. It will always start charging when I plug it into a land-based source, but it will not charge on the boat. I have been told that the cycles are different, the voltage is lower, the Apple is too sensitive, etc., but I must be able to charge this thing. We have 2 PC's on the boat. No problem with them. We have high-end, complicated navigation equipment. No problem with them. We have a re-chargeable satellite phone that works just fine. It is just my Mac that will not work. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Posted on Apr 12, 2012 8:21 PM

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Posted on Apr 12, 2012 8:25 PM

Use what works.

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Apr 12, 2012 8:38 PM in response to eww

This did NOT help. I have navigation charts on this computer, spreadsheets for boat operations and other data necessary when we are underway off shore. I need this computer to recharge from the boat's power when there is no other power available. So, your flippant "use what works" doesn't work! There must be a reason why this Mac will not recognize the input from the boat and there must be something that can be done. All the other complex devices on this boat work perfectly.

Apr 12, 2012 8:52 PM in response to sjgrun

The standard power brick is rated 100-240VAC, 50-60 Hz. Maybe the power supply on the boat falls outside that range of voltage/frequency or the power waveform is not a pure sine wave. Perusing the power section in the Apple Store, I can envision two alternatives:


If you can get 12VDC with sufficent amperage off the boat's electrical system, you could get a DC to AC power inverter such as this and use that with your standard power brick:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/TW696LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDEwMQ


If you can get 15VDC with sufficent amperage, you can try and jury-rig the airplane adapter and use that instead. Beware, it MUST be exactly 15VDC; if less, it won't work, if more, you'll fry the Mac:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB441Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDEwMQ

Apr 13, 2012 4:21 AM in response to sjgrun

Boats usually have 12V DC outlets as well, like cars. You might want to do away with the (wasteful) conversion from DC to AC to DC, and just use the 12V outlet to power/charge your Macbook:

http://mikegyver.com/IdeasnProducts/MikegyverKit/


Quote from the page:

You can charge your Macbook / Macbook Pro / Macbook Air on the Airplane, Car, Truck, Boat and house! NO more wasted energy using inverters!


If that doesn't work, they also have a fat battery which will definitely work:

http://mikegyver.com/IdeasnProducts/PP130-Macbook-External-Battery/

Apr 13, 2012 4:40 AM in response to sjgrun

One of the big problems of many of these 12V DC based outlets, is very few give the full 85W power required for the many of Apple's notebooks. Make sure it is giving you a full 85W. If it doesn't, then it won't keep it charged. Note: As any Classical Physicist knows, Watt is power, Amp is current, Voltage is merely potential power.

Apr 17, 2012 10:58 PM in response to Courcoul

We have done further checking since my first question. My MacBook Pro and I live on a US-wired sailboat which is presenty in New Zealand. The computer will no longer charge on the boat from any of several power sources that we have available. However, it will always charge when I plug it in directly from a source on land - in this case: the Yacht Club. We have several sources of power on the boat. 110 is supplied through a battery bank which in turn is charged from either the generator, the engine or directly from 220 shore power through an inverter. We have a 12V inverter, and we can also plug directly into shore power on the boat. All of these sources have at times been accepted by the computer, but none work on a consistent, reliable basis. We returned to the boat after 3 months. I plugged in the computer. It worked fine for about 2 days. Then it stopped charging. I plugged it in at the Yacht Club. It charged immediately. Took it back to the boat. It would not charge no matter which power source I used. Thinking it was something going on strictly on our boat, I took it to a friend's boat. Plugged it in. It worked fine for over half an hour. Then we switched from one source of power (land) to another (through the inverter). The computer stopped charging and would not restart. I took it to the club. It started immmediately. Back at the boat, it would not start. We have had the electrical inspector out to check power, voltage, etc on the boat, and there is nothing wrong. We have more than adequate power, and he could not come up with an answer for the problem. We are not having issues with any of the other units we have on the boat: 2 PCs, a satellite phone, GPS, etc. It is just this MAC. The thing that has us most puzzled is that it will charge from land power at the Yacht Club, but it will not charge from a direct land line into the boat. None of this makes sense. I have been back to the Genius Bar in the States twice to explain this problem. The first time they gave me a new power cord. The second time they reset the PRAM. None of that has had an impact. It does leave me wondering if there isn't some kind of internal switch this thing comes with that would prevent charging -- but why on the boat only and not on land?


This computer has navigation charts on it that we need access to on long passages. I cannot run to the Yacht Club when we are out at sea! So, if any one has any ideas, they would be much appreciated.

Apr 17, 2012 11:49 PM in response to sjgrun

We returned to the boat after 3 months. I plugged in the computer. It worked fine for about 2 days. Then it stopped charging. I plugged it in at the Yacht Club. It charged immediately. Took it back to the boat. It would not charge no matter which power source I used.


Could it be it's because when you arrived at the boat after three months, the laptop was fully charged?

If you top off the battery using land power, and then go to the boat, will the laptop work?


If that's the case, then charging the battery is just drawing too much power, or creating some other circumstance that makes the Apple charger act finnicky.


I stand behind my original solution. Whichever way you turn it, the problem is the combination of boat power and magsafe charger. I think it would be interesting to remove the charger out of the equation.


Just a tip which might be useful when researching this problem. If you download iStat Menus then you can view the power that the laptop is drawing, see screenshot, especially the "DC In sensor" at the bottom:

User uploaded file

Apr 18, 2012 12:19 AM in response to sjgrun

"...your flippant "use what works" doesn't work!"

Yet, you marked the response as "this helped me". I'm confused about that. Too, I'm confused about the method by which you're trying to charge your computer. You posted lots of words about votages and AC and DC, but you don't state clearly how you're trying to charge yuor computer.


I fail to see how you can charge the computer with 12VDC. If you have 120-240VAC @ 50-60Hz, you can charge the computer through the power adapter. Regardless, you mentioned that the computer will charge for 30 minutes, or so, and then it stops charging. How do you know if the computer is charging initially? How do you know that the computer stops charging? Are you basing the charging/not charging on the color of the power adapter LED? Let's see if we can move this along faster the the current glacial pace. The power adapter has several protective corcuits that prevent damage to the power adapter or the computer. On the DC output, there's over-voltage, over-current, and over-temperature. If the power adapter shuts down because of that, you'll need to unplug the power adapter from the computer for 30 seconds, and then reconnect the power adapter to the computer. On the AC input, there are also protective circuits for several input voltage happenstances. Again, if the power adpater shuts down, you'll need to reset it, as mentioned earlier. It would probably behoove you to get a "line conditioner" that helps alleviate the input voltage problems, and it shouldn't cost more than $100US.

Apr 18, 2012 2:48 PM in response to carl wolf

This is the first time I have used a discussion group, but when the geniuses at the Genius Bar could come up with no solution, I thought I would try this. You seem to know something about all this. We have had the boat's electronics checked by several electricians here, and everyone comes away scratching their heads. The one suggestion we were offered last night is to think about the GFI (is that what they are called? The breakers that cut in when there is water). The land power that goes to the Yacht Club, where this computer will always charge, does not have these switches, but the land power than goes down the dock to the boats does as does our boat itself. This switch itself may alter the current enough so that the Apple will not recognise or use it? Could that be my problem?


We have land power that comes directly to the boat from the dock. It is just like the power from the club. There are no batteries, inverters, etc. involved. I am plugging right into 220 just like at the club. The only difference may be the water safety breakers that are put on when the line comes to the dock. It sounds ridiculous that this could be the problem and that Apple's system is so finicky if this is the problem.


I am judging charging by the percentage of charge shown on the computer. Right now I am at 38% and need to get up to the Yacht Club to recharge. I am not going by the green or orange light on the charger itself because I have experienced that its lighting or not lighting does not always indicate its charging.


I'm eager to read what you have to say. Hopefully, before we leave on a 10-day shakedown cruise of the Bay of Islands before we head off on the 1100 nm to Vanuatu in about 3 weeks.

Apr 18, 2012 3:04 PM in response to sjgrun

Well I can't say for sure, but there has to be some sort of fluxuation in power somwhere along the lines that is causing it to not have a steady current to charge the system. I don't know exactly what in the line is doing that but if there is no inverter installed it is really weird. I know that some inverters don't supply power like they should and when it comes to charging things they act all weird. However, as you stated there is no inverter in the line. The only thing I can think of is the water safe outlets like you were saying could be causing the problem. There is one thing you could try and that is something along the sorts of a power conditioner or a UPS type thing. I can't guarantee that this is going to fix your problem, but it is a place to start. Maybe if there was conditioned power that would level out any fluxuations in power the power adapter may start charging the computer for you. I used to be an electrician so I can tell you that it is some sort of power fluxuation that is causing the problem, but what is causing it, I couldnt' tell you. Just thinking that if you put some sort of conditioner in it, it may be able to take care of the problem that you are having. A UPS can do this by using the battery that it has internally to keep a steady voltage to the computer. A power conditioner does this using capacitors that will level out the power for you as well. If you can't get it to work while you are on the dock, you really are going to have problems when you leave the dock and are relying on the power coming from the boat.

Apr 18, 2012 3:25 PM in response to ZintainUSA

Thanks for this input. I will talk to the electicians here when we return in 10 days to see about a UPS, but I am sadly coming to the conclusion that Apple has some kind of built-in safety systems that PCs do not have. We have 2 PCs on board which fortunately are the ones most used for navigation and weather details, and they do not experience any of these problems. I may have to return to a PC if only to restore marital harmony on this boat! I love my Apple, but not at its present frustration cost.

I live on a US sailboat right now off the coast of New Zealand. My Mac will only recognize power input from a land-based source. It will not charge from either a 110 or 220 outlet on the boat. Any suggestions?

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