Currently Being ModeratedApr 15, 2012 9:17 PM (in response to luiz137)
Wait till next week
Currently Being ModeratedApr 15, 2012 9:23 PM (in response to Tom Wolsky)
Sweet... You are the boss of that Dashwood 3D Cinema Solutions? Because, I have some questions about edition on 3D using Adobe After Effects CS5 (realistic effects), Cinema 4D and also FCP X...
Currently Being ModeratedApr 15, 2012 9:54 PM (in response to luiz137)
Nothing to do with Tim Dashwood, except as a supporter of his work.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 16, 2012 9:32 AM (in response to Tom Wolsky)
Perhaps I missed it, but I saw nothing in the link you provided to indicate that Tim Dashwood's plugin would support the MVC codec recorded by the Sony HDR-TD10. Is Tim Dashwood expected to release a new version of his stereo toolbox that will support the format recroded by the Sony HDR-TD10. I have been hoping for this for quite some time.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 16, 2012 10:01 AM (in response to TomWheel)
The site indicates new and wonderful things are to be announced at NAB this week.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 16, 2012 2:56 PM (in response to TomWheel)
Yeah... I have that problem to now. Sony Camcorder 3D files are exported with the 2 sides (L&R) together. How can we use tha Dashwood's plugin that use 2 sides individual for put together in a file 3D that have the 2 sides together?
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 1:30 PM (in response to luiz137)
No, I can find nothing that says the Dashwood software will support MVC codex. There is NO software to do it on a Mac! There are complicated and very expensive work-around ways to do it, but the results are not always perfect, e.g., sound.
In fact, it is my understanding that it's not a software issue with MVC but a hardware issue that requires specific PC hardware not available with a Mac system. Please correct me if I am wrong. Otherwise, Sony would have certainly made a converter for Mac. It's also my understanding that Sony took a major selling / return hit with the lack of software for the HDR-TD10. I still say this was the most idiotic marking flaw in recent electronics history.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 3:34 PM (in response to Louis XIV)
There is no hardware issue that prevents editing MVC files on a Mac. I am currently editing MVC files on a Mac Pro running Windows 7 64-bit Professional under Boot Camp and using both Cyberlink's Power Director 7 and Vegas Pro 1. The problem is that the current editing packages for the Mac including Adobe's Premiere Pro CS5.5, Final Cut Pro 7, and Final Cut Pro X do not have the necessary codec for ingesting the MVC files produced by the Sony HDR-TD10.
Sony is highly unlikely to provide a Mac compatible editing solution since they make PC's. In fact, Sony's Vegas Pro 111 will not even ingest the MVC files from the JVC 3D camcorders.
I had hoped to learn that Dashwood had somehow managed to license in the MVC codec that would allow their plugin to be used to edit Sony HDR-TD10 files on the Mac, but I have yet to see any evidence of that. I had also hoped that Adobe's Premiere Pro CS6 would support editing the MVC files but I see no evidence of that either from pre-release announcements. I sent a request to Apple to include the ability to ingest Sony HDR-TD10 files in Final Cut PRo X some time ago, but that has not yet happened and of course may never happen.
In short, Mac users are out of luck for editing Sony HDR-TD10 fiels unless they run PC software under Boot Camp on their Mac.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 10, 2012 2:30 PM (in response to TomWheel)
Tom, how are the results using the mentioned method?
How is the processing time for editiing clips? I've heard the bootcamp method is really slow.
How are you viewing / editing the 3D footage? On a PC 3D monitor?
Why do you need both Power Director 7 and Vegas Pro 1.? Are they both required to edit the footage?
I agree about the Sony PC vs. Mac issue. If I eventually buy a PC 3D editing system, it will not be a Sony, that is for sure.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 10, 2012 8:10 PM (in response to Louis XIV)
The results when using either Power Director 10 or Vegas Pro 11 to edit the MVC 3D footage from the Sony HDR-TD10 are excellent. I have prepared several 3D Blu-ray movies using these editors and they look superb on my Sony VPL--VW95ES projector when displayed on a 100 in. wide screen.
The processing time for rendering the edited footage is not bad at all on my 3.1 Mac Pro 8-core computer. My typical productions are 20-30 minutes in length and render out ot a Blu-ray compatible files in about an hour or so. There is nothing slow at all about using either of these 3D NLE's under Boot Camp on the Mac using Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. Of course, since these programs are 64-bit they can make use of all of the memory that you have on your Mac Pro. I have 12 GB and both programs work well. I can tell you that neither NLE will work at all under an emulation like Parallels. I can also tell you that editing the MVC files from the HDR-TD10 is very demanding and you need a fast CPU and a good graphics card since both of the aforementioned NLE's make use of the GPU of the graphics card. I am using an nVidia GTX 285 card on my Mac Pro. I am able to play back MVC clips from the HDR-TD10 on either of these programs at full frame rate, but when I add transitions or filters to any of the MVC clips then playback of the timeline slows down significantly unless that section of the timeline is rendered.
I have both Power Director 10 and Vegas Pro 11 because each has its own advantages, but you certainly don't need both to edit 3D footage from the HDR-TD10. Vegas Pro 11 is the more powerful editor in terms of professional features, but it does not allow you to burn a 3D Blu-ray disk with 3D menus. (You can burn a 3D Blu-ray disc from VEgas Pro 11, but not one with menus.) Power Director 10 is aimed more at the consumer market, but it is nonetheles a very powerful 3D editor and does allow the creation of 3D menus which look quite nice.
I love working on my Mac and don't like the fact that I have to use Windows software under Boot Camp for 3D editing on the Mac. However, there appears to be no hope of Final Cut Pro X ever supporting 3D footage from the HDR-TD10 and since Adobe did not include the ability to ingest footage from the HDR-TD10 in Premiere Pro CS6, there is simply no way of editing this footage on a Mac except using Windows under Boot Camp at present and likely for the foreseeable future.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 10, 2012 10:06 PM (in response to TomWheel)
Thanks for this post. Lots of good info.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 11, 2012 8:08 AM (in response to TomWheel)
What kind of 3D monitor are you using?
Currently Being ModeratedMay 11, 2012 8:47 AM (in response to Louis XIV)
Thank you for the kind comment.
At present I am not using a 3D monitor. I simply use a setting in either of the two NLE's to display the 3D as red/cyan anaglyph and monitor the 3D results in that manner. It is not ideal since anaglyph has a significant impact on the color displayed, however it is cheap and convenient. If I were purchasing a 3D monitor today, I woudl consider an inexpexpensive passive mode 3D mointor from Vizio that seems highly favored by the 3D editing crowd.
You wil find lots of good information on 3D equipment and editing in the AVS 3D Forum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=192.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 24, 2012 4:39 PM (in response to luiz137)
I would like to edit my HDR TD10 3D footage on my Mac using one of the software options listed in this thread (or another). (I also don't want to spend too much- just a hobbyist). Can someone address if any or all of the following tools are available with these (or other) editors for 3D .MVC files?: Slo-Mo, frame cropping, Captions/Titles/Credits, layering music/voice-over on top of raw audio. And more advanced post features: Exposure/color adjustments, frame straigtening/digital stabilization-or tracking objects in hand-held video?