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Q: When will Aperture have support for RAF files from the new Fuji XPro-1?

How long does it normally take to get the RAW file format updated? Fuji say they sent the file details to Apple many weeks ago. This is a camera being given fantastic reviews in all professional magazines worldwide - but I'm stuck with an Aperture folder full of "unsupported image format" files.

Really annoying as I use the full suite of Nik plug-ins so I can't do anything with these files until Aperture is updated.

Aperture 3, Mac OS X (10.7.3), RAW files

Posted on Apr 16, 2012 11:07 AM

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Q: When will Aperture have support for RAF files from the new Fuji XPro-1?

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  • by Keith Barkley,Helpful

    Keith Barkley Keith Barkley Apr 16, 2012 11:40 AM in response to fujifan
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    Apr 16, 2012 11:40 AM in response to fujifan

    Generally it takes more than just "file details", that is the easy part. Usually a good raw converter will want a sample of the camera so that a profile of the actual camera can be created.

     

    The usual time for a camera supported is from just *before* a camera ships to never. I suspect the Fuji will be in the 1-3 month range, but no one really knows.

  • by fujifan,

    fujifan fujifan Oct 25, 2012 5:16 AM in response to Keith Barkley
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    Oct 25, 2012 5:16 AM in response to Keith Barkley

    And here we are nearly 7 months later and still no support. Do Apple require companies to pay them in the same way that companies have to pay supermarkets to carrty their goods?

    I can think of no reason why this should still be an unsupported camera. There are now half a dozen unsupported cameras in the Fuji X range.

    I have close to two thousand images that I can only use in out of camera jpeg format.

    Truly pathetic performance by Apple.

  • by toswon,

    toswon toswon Oct 25, 2012 6:32 AM in response to fujifan
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    Oct 25, 2012 6:32 AM in response to fujifan

    I'm also looking forward to use Aperture with .RAF from my Fujifilm X-E1 too.

  • by damullr,

    damullr damullr Jan 5, 2013 12:59 PM in response to fujifan
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    Jan 5, 2013 12:59 PM in response to fujifan

    pls aperture devs add the Fuji RAW file format!

  • by Ric Donato,

    Ric Donato Ric Donato Jan 5, 2013 5:03 PM in response to fujifan
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    Jan 5, 2013 5:03 PM in response to fujifan

    @fujifan

    You now see one of the major issues with shooting raw. Yes, raw is wonderful and forever I can praise it. Still raw is not an ISO standard, each manufacture has their own raw files, even different raw files within their own camera lines. To be able to provde support third party software vendors must reverse engineered those raw files.

     

    On top of that software vendors, Apple, Adobe, and the like do drop support for older raw files. For long term archive file type raw is not the best choice. Do not believe me check what happened to the BBC photo files a few years ago.

     

    Do not blame Apple, Adobe, and their ilk, the blame goes squarely on the camera vender's software writers. Today's JPG Fine Large is better than a few years back raw files.

     

    My comments are not to start a JPG vs raw (it is not RAW, we do not say RAW meat or RAW vegetable), so keep your JPG vs raw to yourself.

  • by Ernie Stamper,

    Ernie Stamper Ernie Stamper Jan 5, 2013 8:54 PM in response to Ric Donato
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    Jan 5, 2013 8:54 PM in response to Ric Donato

    Ric,

     

    Not that it matters much, but Nikon, for example, consistently uses the all-caps RAW to refer to it, as does Apple in the referencing to Digital Camera RAW updates.  So not sure where you are coming from in that regard?

     

    Ernie

  • by gentrysama,

    gentrysama gentrysama Feb 8, 2013 9:20 AM in response to Ric Donato
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    Feb 8, 2013 9:20 AM in response to Ric Donato

    Per an interview with a spokeswoman from Fuji, they have indeed provided Apple (and Adobe as well) all the needed technical information in order to support the RAW files (i.e. algorithmic information created by Fuji for the non-standar filter array, etc etc). Please don't spread any more misinformation about it, it's already been flamed to death on all the online camera forums. You can still choose to 'blame' whomever you wish about why it's still not supported by Apple, but you can no longer reasonably assert that Fuji hasn't done their part by providing them what they need. Nondisclosure agreements were signed as well.

     

    Having said that, I find it ridiculous at this point that it's not supported, for several reasons, some being the seemingly similar Fuji users who also use Aperture as well as the opportunity here for Apple to take some market from Adobe (who as of yet are not producing very great output files for Fuji X-trans). Apple was/has been at a disadvantage to Adobe for a long while now, and being an outsider, I presumed Apple would want to take advantage of this (and any similar) opportunity to grab some share from Adobe. I was well wrong, and it seems that other lesser-known-used companies are now doing just that.

     

    Well good on them. I for one will be looking at any/all (new)comers and will certainly be going with the best of those. Sorry Apple, you lost another one. There was a real competition, for me, btwn Aperture and LR4 up till this point. You'd have to pull a rabbit out of your hat to keep my Aperture biz.

  • by boblibations,

    boblibations boblibations Mar 30, 2013 5:44 PM in response to fujifan
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    Mar 30, 2013 5:44 PM in response to fujifan

    Well - its March 30th 2013. I've just bought the Fujifim X-E1, and am aghast that I cannot import the RAW files into Aperture. Can anyone tell me an alternative way? Do I have to shoot in JPEG until Aperture recognizes Fuji RAW files? Do I have to import into a another programme? Does LightRoom recognize Fuji fles? Would appreciate advice.

  • by William Lloyd,

    William Lloyd William Lloyd Mar 30, 2013 9:25 PM in response to boblibations
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    Mar 30, 2013 9:25 PM in response to boblibations

    By the way, bumping three separate threads just annoys people in the forums and won't help because "Apple" isn't reading these forums; they're user-to-user forums.

  • by boblibations,

    boblibations boblibations Mar 31, 2013 3:46 AM in response to William Lloyd
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    Mar 31, 2013 3:46 AM in response to William Lloyd

    Sorry - didn't mean to be a pest. Just frustrated

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Mar 31, 2013 4:01 AM in response to fujifan
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    Mar 31, 2013 4:01 AM in response to fujifan

    check this site:

    http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs/raw.html

    In this list is the Fujifilm X100, which uses the same raw format (RAF).

    But it is only in Aperture 3 or later.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Mar 31, 2013 4:10 AM in response to boblibations
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    Mar 31, 2013 4:10 AM in response to boblibations

    Sorry - didn't mean to be a pest. Just frustrated

     

    For Fuji cameras to be supported by Apple, Fuji and Apple have to cooperate. The Fuji sensors differ from the usual Bayer-type sensors considerably. So send feedback to Apple and to Fuji, that you want to be able to use your Fuji camera with Aperture.

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html