Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 8:28 AM (in response to NickyCee)
Just so that I understand you, "the computer then restarted" means the Mac Pro, which was no longer in Target Disk Mode, and the "first time user process" refers to Snow Leopard's setup and file transfer process running on the Mac Pro?
As you know, the SL retail installer refuses to install on the 2010 Mac Pro because it's 10.6.3 and the Install DVD that came with the pre-Lion Mac Pros was 10.6.4; it's been assumed that the reason was the lack of necessary drivers on the retail installer. Your finding tells us that's not so, and while the 10.6.8 combo updater trims things up, the new Mac Pro has basic functionality even with the generic 10.6.3 install. Good work!!Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), 5,1 6-core 24 GB 5870 27" LED ACD
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 9:24 AM (in response to FatMac\>MacPro)
"Just so that I understand you, "the computer then restarted" means the Mac Pro, which was no longer in Target Disk Mode, and the "first time user process" refers to Snow Leopard's setup and file transfer process running on the Mac Pro?"
No, my Mac Book Pro restarted and Mac Pro Desktop was STILL in target mode. The MB Pro actually booted using the MB Pro's fresh 10.6.3 install. I then went through the first start up process (you know - 'Welcome' in 17 different languages, register your product, etc) then applied the 10.6.8 update, and the other updates (it may have restrted one or more times, I don't remember but it was no problem). Absolutely perfect install and my Mac Pro 3.33 with the SSD is LIGHTNING fast. I plan on keeping this system and software combo for 10 years. If I need to go to Lion, no problemo. Just swap out the drive and I'm up to date.
I still dont understand why in heaven Apple removed Rosetta from Lion. I know many, many people who are stuck bad because of this and have (with great difficulty) had to convert back to SL. I get the "Mac users need to be pushed into reality/Lion is the Future/Stop living in the past with your outdated PPC software" bit but I can tell you that this was a really, really bad move. Do OS programmers read these discussions? If so, contact me and I will explain to you why it was such a monumentally bad move to remove Rosetta from Lion.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 9:35 AM (in response to NickyCee)
People have been sweating (use your own terms) over Rosetta for the last year since it was leaned about.
People bought their Macs to avoid Lion.
Lion = iDevic-ification of the OS
OS 8.1 brought HFS+ : needed
OS 9.1 finally pulled the last as much of the 68k code that eliminated bugs, problems, got the Finder "slightly" better and VM to work.
Took a lot longer to get PowerPC code base transitioned to Intel, with "oh just use Cocoa code compilers" and Universal Binary.
There is close symmetry and control to get the OS to work with hardware; and there is strangle-hold.
Announcing back with the first Intel based systems that software would all have to transition in the next 5 yrs from PowerPC to Universal (bridge) to Cocoa/Intel code only...? hard to sell and market.
The first Mac Pro 10.4.7 and we saw pain of all the drivers worked to follow the rules (known) about address space and how to write drivers and how to deal with the beginnings of 4GB address and 64-bit OS (but not full 64-bit OS and processors just yet).
10.4.x and Rosetta had a 2GB RAM penalty and performance penalty and more issues with CS2 than some wanted so they waited for CS3 at a minimum before jumping to Mac Pro.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 18, 2012 9:44 AM (in response to NickyCee)
Thank you for the clarification. That sounds consistent with the experience of other users. Your method offers a relatively straightforward way to get SL installed. I suspect the main proviso is that the Mac you are running the SL install from has to be supported by the retail installer. Then the rerunning of the 10.6.8 combo update while booted on the Mac Pro customized the installation for that Mac.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 2, 2012 9:17 AM (in response to NickyCee)
Thanks for posting this. I just purchased a new July 2010 Mac Pro thinking it was preloaded with Snow Leopard. It arrived loaded with Lion. Return/restocking is too expensive, so I'm forced to try your option. I have no experience doing this sort of thing. I just ordered OWC SSD. I'm going to follow your instructions step by step. I have a SL10.6.8 Mac Book Pro to do the process. I have a new, unopened SL 10.3 disc to use for installation on the new drive. I'm unsure about the SL Combo Updater to get to 10.6.8. Did you download from here?
How did you install? Sorry for the simple questions. This is all new territory for me.
Thanks for the help!
Currently Being ModeratedMay 2, 2012 9:32 AM (in response to SQUONK2)
yes, follow the directions and use the latest combo updater which I think you have. Check if they have updated (I doubt it) and make sure it is the COMBO updater. You wil be fine as my machinie is smoking fast!
Currently Being ModeratedMay 16, 2012 2:30 PM (in response to NickyCee)
Thanks for posting this solution! I followed your instructions faithfully and the new Mac Pro with OWC SSD is running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 just fine! The only weird thing is that during the setup of SL it took the name of my Mac Book Pro that I was using to accomplish the install. Not the end of the world, but the Mac Pro calls itself "My Name's Mac Book Pro." I don't know if there's a way to change this without reinstalling. If not, it's certainly something I can live with.
Thanks again for posting this solution. It was a BIG help!!!
Currently Being ModeratedMay 17, 2012 10:50 PM (in response to NickyCee)
Thank you for your research and your post.
At our organization we are not allowed to purchase a computer that does not have “save as” available with all applications.
Also, all of our mail programs must have the feature “Bounce”.
We are also required to have optical drives as well, of course that's not a problem with a Mac Pro (for now).
Currently Being ModeratedJun 27, 2012 9:20 PM (in response to SQUONK2)
Thanks to all for the postings.
I am very, very interested to learn if your "New" Mac Pro is, in fact, the recently updated Model # MD770LL/A.
Or did you install Sno Leo on the previous (2010) Model # MC560LL/A?
Both the above, are Quad processor models. So, if you have a higher end machine – please post your model number.
It is vital to know if the newly shipping Mac Pro towers will fully function (DVD, Monitor Ports ...) after downgrading.
I understand the 2010 models, which shipped until a few weeks ago, will.
Thanks again to you and anyone who can verify downgrading the marginally updated Mac Pros.