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how do I do a "save as" on Pages?

Want to resave a document monthly in order to make small change each month but save the previous ones (monthly billing). Is there any way? If not, will Apple issue me a refund so that I can buy Microsoft again? This is a huge billing problem for me!

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.3)

Posted on Apr 17, 2012 4:39 PM

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Posted on Sep 23, 2017 5:10 PM

Hold down the option key as you select Save in the File menu, or command shift s


This will make a duplicate of the file as it currently is.


If you have already made changes to the file but don't want them in the original, select the original file and go:


Menu > File > Revert to > Last Saved


Apple changed this when it set up Auto-Save by default.


IMHO it is very bad User Interface as it is concealed, and expects Users to behave in anticipation which is always bad practice. People do not work that way, they do what is on their mind then save. Further Apple's tiny percentage of users have to learn to behave differently than everyone else and adapt their behaviour according to not just whether they are on MacOS but according to what version of MacOS, subsequently making far more mistakes.


Unfortunately Apple's UI skills and common sense have plummeted on the Mac in recent years, an indication of a change of leadership who seem to want to make their own stamp on the Mac despite they are not quite up to it.


Apple seems determined to kill productivity and whatever work is still being done on Macs, reducing it to a playpen with padded walls, in which they constantly move the furniture for their own amusement.


Peter

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Sep 23, 2017 5:10 PM in response to jul818

Hold down the option key as you select Save in the File menu, or command shift s


This will make a duplicate of the file as it currently is.


If you have already made changes to the file but don't want them in the original, select the original file and go:


Menu > File > Revert to > Last Saved


Apple changed this when it set up Auto-Save by default.


IMHO it is very bad User Interface as it is concealed, and expects Users to behave in anticipation which is always bad practice. People do not work that way, they do what is on their mind then save. Further Apple's tiny percentage of users have to learn to behave differently than everyone else and adapt their behaviour according to not just whether they are on MacOS but according to what version of MacOS, subsequently making far more mistakes.


Unfortunately Apple's UI skills and common sense have plummeted on the Mac in recent years, an indication of a change of leadership who seem to want to make their own stamp on the Mac despite they are not quite up to it.


Apple seems determined to kill productivity and whatever work is still being done on Macs, reducing it to a playpen with padded walls, in which they constantly move the furniture for their own amusement.


Peter

Jun 2, 2017 7:41 PM in response to jul818

Basically apple (Pages) ***** for word processing and any business tasks! I've listened to everyone go on for years about how superior apple is, and there are many things I like about it, but now that I've used both Microsoft and Apple for many years, hands down I'd take Microsoft for Word processing, file storage options, mail file options (MacMail ***** too). The ONLY thing that keeps me using mac is less shut down-virus issues. Otherwise I am mostly frustrated trying to do the simplest of tasks such as what is being inquired of here. Why can't we do a "save as", or at least why can't simple tasks be done in a user friendly manner? Because apple doesn't think it's needed apparently! I can't believe how often I have to scan through volumes of comments at this forum to get a simple answer to a task that should be obvious. And I am clearly not the only one looking for that information as the replies go on and on.....

Jul 3, 2017 2:09 AM in response to jul818

Hi only bought a Mac recently - long term Windows user. The 'save as' function on Windows is usually implemented to alter the extension of the file you have open i.e. save a *.doc file as a *.txt file etc. To do this in Pages you just click the export button. As many choices as in Windows. Hope this is what you are after.

Sep 23, 2017 10:40 AM in response to alan kren

This is another example of Apple trying to get cute and "simplify" the UI but totally confusing everyone. Bring back "save as" and get over the fact that Microsoft has firmly planted that method in the collective conscious of everyone.

Yes, "Duplicate" is basically the same as "save as" -- but it's confusing to have "Duplicate" and "Rename" and "Export" -- all of which have overlapping purposes.

Apr 17, 2012 8:06 PM in response to jul818

"Duplicate" then make the changes then "save as..." If you duplicate from Finder then you won't have two documents open on your desktop. The new scheme was so annoying to me that I reverted back to the previous version of iWork to get back "save/save as".


This is how I did it: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3267033?answerId=15949298022#15949298022 You should be able to find what you need...


Happy hunting

Apr 17, 2012 8:14 PM in response to jul818

It's a simple matter if you adjust your workflow order to match the new OS.


Each month, before you begin making changes, open your document and File > Duplicate, Command-S..., Command-W. Then continue with the month's edits on the document you opened. You have made and saved an achieve copy of your document as it was when you just opened it and you are in the edit mode for making your monthly additions. It's no more steps than you used before, but it's in a different order.


Jerry

Apr 17, 2012 8:35 PM in response to Jerrold Green1

Respectfully beg to differ... Open the doc, make changes, save as... Duplicate and closing the duplicate are extra steps. I know some strongly prefer the new scheme while others of us prefer the former one. I just don't understand why it had to be an either/or approach instead of both/and. Yesterday, I downloaded a little word processing program that allowed me to turn off "autosave" so I suspect that the duplicate/save as... could be "turned off" as well. Obviously, the latest version of iWork retains save/save as on Snow Leopard, so its got to be in there somewhere.

Apr 17, 2012 11:25 PM in response to Woffman

Woffman wrote:


Open the doc, make changes, save as... Duplicate and closing the duplicate are extra steps.

What you describe is not the correct workflow.

Your changes would be store in the original document too and I'm not sure that it's what you want.

The correct workflow would be:

open the doc

duplicate

save the duplicate

edit this duplicate as you want (AutoSave will apply)

close the duplicate when it's ready.

You are free to close the original immediately after duplicating it or keep it open to create new documents.


I use none of these workflows.

I save every document which must be used as starting point to create new ones as templates.

This way I'm sure that the changes which I make can't be stored in my original.


There is a switch in the application.

If the system is Lion it behave the new way, if it's an older system it behave the old way.

Happily, there is no way to change that.


Third party developers are urged to apply the new scheme.

Some refused completely and their app can't enter Mac App Store.

Some deliver the new feature with enable/disable switch. At this time they may enter the M.A.S.

Only those delivering Versions and AutoSave with no enable/disable switch may enter the list of « Lion aware » applications (it's why GraphicConvert was removed from this list).

At this time, Apple applications matching the rule are :


iBooks Author

Keynote

Numbers

Pages

Preview

TextEdit


Guess that others will do when they will be updated.


Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 18 avril 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

Apr 18, 2012 12:37 AM in response to Woffman

Woffman wrote:


Respectfully beg to differ... Open the doc, make changes, save as... Duplicate and closing the duplicate are extra steps. I know some strongly prefer the new scheme while others of us prefer the former one. I just don't understand why it had to be an either/or approach instead of both/and. Yesterday, I downloaded a little word processing program that allowed me to turn off "autosave" so I suspect that the duplicate/save as... could be "turned off" as well. Obviously, the latest version of iWork retains save/save as on Snow Leopard, so its got to be in there somewhere.


W,


I believe that those arguing that we're discussing a simple on/off switch are missing the point that this change is in harmony with a shift in philosophy, or attitude, or how we think about, the "save" status that Apple is promoting. If we think about our documents as being continuously saved, when we duplicate them we should naturally assume that we are duplicating the current state, not some previous condition. That previous condition is now, more than ever, ambiguous, because it is no longer necessary to ever close an active document and reopen it, or consciously save it, even if we close the application that created it. I predict that at some point when this way of thinking about the save status of documents becomes ingrained we will scratch our heads trying to recall why one would ever assume that "Save As" means to store the document in some previous state.


Jerry

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