Can we do a nesting in FCP X ?

Hi there,


First of all, I am not sure whether "nesting" is the the correct technical word. So, I will describe my problem here:


I have a long project, we call it "Main Project". Since this is a long sequence, I created 3 separate project files, we called it "Project A, Project B & Project C".


So, I render/share each of the Project A, B, & C separately and I have 3 .mp4 files, we called the rendered/outpot file A.mp4, B.mp4 and C.mp4.


I then I import A.mp4, B.mp4 and C.mp4 into the Main Project and render/share it & I got the eventual file called main.mp4 which is the video that I made.


So, now when I wanna make some changes in A, I have to render A, import the new A.mp4 into main project and then render again to get main,mp4.


Is there a away, where I just make the changes in A without rendering A but the changes will be reflected when I render the Main project ?


I remember this was possible when I used LiveType files without rendering & the changes is automatic in FCE 4.


So, 2 questions:


1. can this be done in FCP X ?


2. Is this called nesting ?


Thanks

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Posted on Apr 17, 2012 10:10 PM

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Apr 18, 2012 3:59 AM in response to RyanManUtd

What you want can be done in FCP X, but in a slightly different way, using Compound Clips, as andynick said.



Let me ellaborate just a bit:


Having done something similar in the past in FCE 4 also, it is important to know there are some important distinctions. You are using projects in FCP X as replacements for sequences in FCE. This is not the best way, because, as you noticed, you can't "nest" projects. But you can nest compound clips.


For this type of situation, instead of several projects, you should use only one "Main Project".

Each part of this project should be contained in its own compound clip.

Compound clips can be created directly in the timeline, and also they can be created inside an event, in the Event Library - the latter is what we want here.


1) Create three compound clips, let's call them Compound A, B and C. Just select an event, make sure there are no clips selected inside, and do File->New Compound Clip. You can set the properties of the clip to match your current projects.


2) For each of your current projects A, B and C, open them in the timeline, select everything and copy; then locate the corresponding compound clip you just created, open it in its own timeline (by control-click and "open in timeline") and paste the contents.


Now you have your existing parts A, B and C as compound clips.

Open your master project, and just drag the compound clips A, B and C to the timeline.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: Contrary to FCE, there is no parent/child relationship between the compound clips in the event and the *copies* in the project timeline. So if you edit compound A in the event browser, you will have to go to the project, and replace the old version by the new one.

Apr 21, 2012 9:09 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Luis Sequeira1 wrote:


What you want can be done in FCP X, but in a slightly different way, using Compound Clips, as andynick said.



Let me ellaborate just a bit:


Having done something similar in the past in FCE 4 also, it is important to know there are some important distinctions. You are using projects in FCP X as replacements for sequences in FCE. This is not the best way, because, as you noticed, you can't "nest" projects. But you can nest compound clips.


For this type of situation, instead of several projects, you should use only one "Main Project".

Each part of this project should be contained in its own compound clip.

Compound clips can be created directly in the timeline, and also they can be created inside an event, in the Event Library - the latter is what we want here.


1) Create three compound clips, let's call them Compound A, B and C. Just select an event, make sure there are no clips selected inside, and do File->New Compound Clip. You can set the properties of the clip to match your current projects.


2) For each of your current projects A, B and C, open them in the timeline, select everything and copy; then locate the corresponding compound clip you just created, open it in its own timeline (by control-click and "open in timeline") and paste the contents.


Now you have your existing parts A, B and C as compound clips.

Open your master project, and just drag the compound clips A, B and C to the timeline.


IMPORTANT NOTICE: Contrary to FCE, there is no parent/child relationship between the compound clips in the event and the *copies* in the project timeline. So if you edit compound A in the event browser, you will have to go to the project, and replace the old version by the new one.

Hi Luis,


I cannot quite follow what you meant from step 1 to step 2. You think you can elaborate a bit more ?


If I read your IMPORTANT NOTICE, am I correct to say that there is no way where you make changes to one compound clip & the rest of the similar compound clips will be changes accordingly ?


Actually I am looking at steps where I use certain clips frequently, I then make it into compund clip. Then can I use this compound clip at different places like in different projects ?


I am also looking for ways, when i make changes to one of the compund clip, then the rest of the similar compund clip are changed/updated accordingly ...


Thanks

Apr 23, 2012 2:21 AM in response to RyanManUtd

RyanManUtd wrote:


1) Create three compound clips, let's call them Compound A, B and C. Just select an event, make sure there are no clips selected inside, and do File->New Compound Clip. You can set the properties of the clip to match your current projects.


2) For each of your current projects A, B and C, open them in the timeline, select everything and copy; then locate the corresponding compound clip you just created, open it in its own timeline (by control-click and "open in timeline") and paste the contents.


Now you have your existing parts A, B and C as compound clips.

Open your master project, and just drag the compound clips A, B and C to the timeline.


I cannot quite follow what you meant from step 1 to step 2. You think you can elaborate a bit more ?


If I read your IMPORTANT NOTICE, am I correct to say that there is no way where you make changes to one compound clip & the rest of the similar compound clips will be changes accordingly ?


Actually I am looking at steps where I use certain clips frequently, I then make it into compund clip. Then can I use this compound clip at different places like in different projects ?


I am also looking for ways, when i make changes to one of the compund clip, then the rest of the similar compund clip are changed/updated accordingly ...


Thanks


The basic idea is that if a project has three parts, say PartA, PartB and PartC, then you'd want to create 3 compound clips, say CompoundA, etc.. You apparently already have three *projects*, let's say ProjectA, etc. corresponding to each part.

I'm just saying you can copy (Cmd-C) everything in ProjectA and paste (Cmd-V) into CompoundA, etc.

Then create your master project and drag CompoundA, -B and -C into it. I hope it's clearer now.


You can and should use compound clips for material that you would reuse. Just drag to any project you want to use them in.


But if you change a compound clip, it won't "update" the copies of it inside your projects.

Apr 23, 2012 9:34 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Luis Sequeira1 wrote:


RyanManUtd wrote:


1) Create three compound clips, let's call them Compound A, B and C. Just select an event, make sure there are no clips selected inside, and do File->New Compound Clip. You can set the properties of the clip to match your current projects.


2) For each of your current projects A, B and C, open them in the timeline, select everything and copy; then locate the corresponding compound clip you just created, open it in its own timeline (by control-click and "open in timeline") and paste the contents.


Now you have your existing parts A, B and C as compound clips.

Open your master project, and just drag the compound clips A, B and C to the timeline.


I cannot quite follow what you meant from step 1 to step 2. You think you can elaborate a bit more ?


If I read your IMPORTANT NOTICE, am I correct to say that there is no way where you make changes to one compound clip & the rest of the similar compound clips will be changes accordingly ?


Actually I am looking at steps where I use certain clips frequently, I then make it into compund clip. Then can I use this compound clip at different places like in different projects ?


I am also looking for ways, when i make changes to one of the compund clip, then the rest of the similar compund clip are changed/updated accordingly ...


Thanks


The basic idea is that if a project has three parts, say PartA, PartB and PartC, then you'd want to create 3 compound clips, say CompoundA, etc.. You apparently already have three *projects*, let's say ProjectA, etc. corresponding to each part.

I'm just saying you can copy (Cmd-C) everything in ProjectA and paste (Cmd-V) into CompoundA, etc.

Then create your master project and drag CompoundA, -B and -C into it. I hope it's clearer now.


You can and should use compound clips for material that you would reuse. Just drag to any project you want to use them in.


But if you change a compound clip, it won't "update" the copies of it inside your projects.

Thanks Luis,


I am trying to understand you. So is this correct.


I should have 4 projects, viz:


1) ProjectA

2) ProjectB

3) ProjectC

4) Then create another Project called ProjectJoin.


Steps:

a) Copy ProjectA into ProjectJoin & make it into CompoundClipA

b) Copy ProjectB into ProjectJoin & make it into CompoundClipB

c) Copy ProjectC into ProjectJoin & make it into CompoundClipC


Question:

If I make changes in ProjectA, will the CompoundClipA inside ProjectJoin automatically changed/updated ?


Thanks

Apr 23, 2012 10:19 AM in response to RyanManUtd

NO, you don't want to create four *projects* - you want to create just ONE.


There are two types of compound clips: the ones created in the timeline and the ones created directly in the Event Browser.

The compound clips I am talking about are to be created inside an Event, in the Event Browser.

Click in an Event, and do File->New Compound Clip...

This will create a new (empty) compound clip inside the event:

User uploaded file


Note that in the picture above, an event ("Testes 2") is selected, so this command would create a new, empty, compound clip inside that event - or a compound clip containing any clips that might be selected inside that event.


You could have something like this in your event, in addition to other clips there (note the sign in each clip that identifies as a compound clip):


User uploaded file

Each compound clip can then be opened in its own timeline and edited, much like a project would.

In fact, in some places in the documentation it is said to be like a "mini project".

BUT this compound clip will sit there inside the event, and can used and reused by just dragging it to a timeline like any other clip.


Now you'd go, say, to your "Project A", select everything, Copy; select your compound clip "Part A", and open it in its own timeline (Control-click and choose "Open in Timeline") and Paste; do the same for B and C.



Then you can open your project and drag the clips "Part A", "Part B" and "Part C" into it.

So in the end your project will comprise these 3 clips and be done.


In summary, projects can't be "nested"; compound clips can.


Again, changes are NOT automatically propagated, no matter what you choose. Once you paste or drag something to another timeline, you get a fresh COPY, not a reference to another clip.

(The only exception to this rule, that I know of, concerns multicam clips, but that's another subject entirely)

Apr 24, 2012 7:06 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Thanks Luis for the detailed explanation. Really appreciate it. Now I understand.


So, there is no way to update once in the Events & the rest will be updated. Hmmm ... this is bad.


Sorry to be comparing with FCE4. I remember when I was using FCE4. I just import in the project file from LiveType into FCE4's sequence. When I update the project file of LiveType, the corresponding clip in FCE4's sequence is automatically updated ....


Thanks again, Luis ... 🙂


Cheers

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