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Does the MBP support Intel's SpeedStep?

Just wondering if the MacBook Pro is making use of Intel's Enhanced SpeedStep Technology? I was looking at the sysctl -a output and saw this:

hw.cpufrequency: 2000000000
hw.cpufrequency_min: 2000000000
hw.cpufrequency_max: 2000000000

To me, that implies that Apple isn't enabling the clock / vcore reduction to save power & heat.

MacBook Pro 15" 2.0GHz, 2GB, 100GB 7200, Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Posted on Mar 5, 2006 5:39 PM

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Mar 6, 2006 8:32 PM in response to PowerBook Attorney

SpeedStep (EIST = Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology) is a function of Intel's current Mobile and 6xx/8xx/9xx processors. It dynamicly changes the clock multiplier and the core voltage to reduce power draw while the CPU(s) are idle.

For example - The Pentium M 1.8GHz CPU run at 1.8GHz and 1.3v at full speed. When it's idle or under light load it runs at 800MHz and .96v. EIST also includes the "C1E" Idle state. C1E is a sleep state that turns off one or both CPU cores when the system is completly idle. It allows a notebook to run for up to 4 hours (8.5 hours with dual batteries).

The Intel Core Duo has the same ability, but I'm

Mar 7, 2006 10:49 AM in response to Kappy

I found this today:

'pmset -g cap' shows the capabilities of the system...

displaysleep
disksleep
sleep
autorestart
lessbright
halfdim
sms

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There is no reduce or dps. So, in fact the MBP does NOT support any form of frequency scaling. sigh just one more nail in my MBP's coffin. (Closer and closer to eBay it goes)

Mar 8, 2006 6:54 PM in response to Transeau

I think we could at least draw some inference about this from the Powerbook DL SuperDrive, which uses a variation on SpeedStep to either divide-by-two the processor speed (a feature that goes back a couple of years) or divide-by-four the processor speed (new on the Powerbook DL, optional for the 7447 and required by the 7448, hence only the Powerbook DL can take DayStar's 7448 upgrade).

Bottom line is that Powerbook advertised maximum light use battery life (i.e. no Bluetooth, no Airport, no Photoshop, dim monitor, hard drive on most conservative energy setting) went up from 4.5 hours to 5.5 hours -- but heavy use battery life remained in the 2.5 to 3.0 hours range. Apple acknowledges this in their detailed technical overview document on the Powerbook DL

If it is possible for MacBook Pro users to get up from the 3.0 hour range that everyone seems to be in with all the toys running except the DVD, up towards five hours for light use, that would imply to me that SpeedStep is operational. Remember that SpeedStep does not power down the computer as far as PPC's divide-by-four, but that it is more fine tuned and works in 200MHz increments. A previous poster noted 800MHz as the minimum for the Pentium-M and I seem to recall 1GHz for the Core Duo. Also remember that we already know from Anandtech and other geek sites that the range of battery life on a CoreDuo system seems to be less between light and heavy use than on a Pentium-M.

May 7, 2006 1:16 PM in response to Transeau

This seems quite incredible, and even outrageous!

Can't it be so that the application isn't updated for the MBP or that the Core Duo has moved away from SpeedStep to another technology?

If my MBP is blowing away at the full 1.83ghz on both cores while I'm simply typing this message in my browser, that's quite a HUGE waste!

Even my four year old Compaq laptop could clock itself down when the additional power wasn't needed.

May 8, 2006 8:31 AM in response to Transeau

I use bootcamp and have a program on windows that can measure CPU frequency. It shows speedstep is working and the CPU is throttling down to 1ghz. As I do not know of such a program for OSX I can not see what OSX is doing. However, the fans come on more easily in windows and the battery life is a lot poorer, 2 hours at best. I'd say that OSX is using more power saving features than windows is so it must be doing CPU frequency throttling.
I'd read that Core Duo has many more power saving features, disabling second core when not needed, turning off large parts of the cache, CPU throttling handled by the CPU rather than software. If OSX is using these features of it, it might not necessarily show up in the same way as power saving features of the G4.

May 8, 2006 8:45 AM in response to theFluke

My experience with XP mirrors Morn's. More heat, more fans, less battery life.

This is on an XP installation that is fully updated, has the latest chipset drivers from Intel, the Microsoft mulit processor patch and the registry fix for USB 2 devices to correct for unnecessary power draw.

BB

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Does the MBP support Intel's SpeedStep?

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