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What is the best workflow for DVD creation using an iMac.


We are shooting HD video on 2 cameras. We import the AVCHD folders into FCPX. In order to work real time we turn on Proxy. We then send to compressor to create an MOV file with AAC audio as shown below. We then use Sony DVD Architect or about to try Adobe Encore for DVD authoring as we need to create a PLAY all and chapters for all 26 scenes of the video. There are 2 acts and each is about 45 minutes long.


Import of the raw video is about 20 minutes, import into FCPX is long (never actually clocked it). Export from FCPX to compressor is zero. Compressor to MOV is 14 HOURS (7 Hours per act)! Use in DVD authoring program is zero but export is another 3 hours???



(Compressor export settings - video was shot at 1080i 1280x720


File Extension: mov

Estimated size: unknown

Audio Encoder

AAC, Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz

Video Encoder

Width: (100% of source)

Height: (100% of source)

Pixel aspect ratio: Default

Crop: None

Padding: None

Frame rate: 30

Frame Controls: Automatically selected: Off

Codec Type: H.264

Multi-pass: On, frame reorder: On

Pixel depth: 24

Spatial quality: 53

Min. Spatial quality: 25

Key frame interval: 24

Temporal quality: 50

Min. temporal quality: 25

Maximum data rate: 20.972 (Mbps)


Compatible with Mac

iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Posted on May 9, 2012 9:00 AM

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May 9, 2012 3:59 PM in response to dkardell

First, I need to say that I still do 90% of my work in FCS. Although I'm intrigued by FCPX and using it more and more, I have a whole lot of learning ahead. There are a lot of people on the FCPX boards who are using it as their primary editor…and you may get more informed advice over there.


But to your workflow questions, I think I would see if your system can handle optimized media (Pro Res) rather than Proxy. I just did a two camera shoot and had no trouble cutting in Pro Res – with the media on a FW 800 external drive. Then I followed my usual workflow: after finishing, export as a QT movie with current settings so that I have a Pro Res master that I can bring into Compressor to re-purpose for DVD, Web, Broadcast, Mobile Devices.


As to your specific DVD needs, you probably already know that Compressor can output DVD's with a simple menu that respects chapter markers that are set within Compressor (not FCPX). So there's only one encode: Pro Res > MPEG 2 plus AC3, which processes fairly quickly. Fair warning: there was a recent poster in this forum who had a boatload of trouble with a long video and over 20 chapters. I have not encountered those problems myself, but I don't believe he ever found a fix for his.


If you require a complex menu, then probably Encore is the way to go unless you have access to DVD Studio Pro. I would imagine that Compressor's markers would be recognized by Encore, but I'm not positive. They definitely are recognized by DVD Studio Pr – and for that matter, iDVD.


BTW, you state the video was shot 1080i…what is the significance of 1280X720? You know that all DVDs are 720X480.


Good luck.


Russ

May 9, 2012 6:51 PM in response to Russ H

Thanks Russ that does help. I can't use Compressor's menu as its too simple. These are for high school musicals and chior shows and so I have to use Sony's DVD Architect to get a professional look.


As for the 1280x720, this is where I'm still a bit slow in understanding video format. The import from the HD camera says that it's 1280x720.


Your comment that DVD's are 720x480. Why does DVD ouput software give you so many options then on output. Are you telling me that HD output to DVD is always 720x480 and that fits a wide screen TV ?



Also when you say "So there's only one encode: Pro Res > MPEG 2 plus AC3, which processes fairly quickly. " , are you suggesting that I output the HD in ProRes MPEG2 plus AC3 and use that in my DVD Authroing software which then burns to DVD to still get the HD quality?

Thanks

Dan

May 9, 2012 7:00 PM in response to dkardell

Hety Dan.


Yup, afraid 720X480 is the DVD standard. Anything bigger is (nowadays) Blu-Ray. What are the other options?


Bring an HD file into Compressor and it "sees" it's 16x9 and converts your square pixels to an anamorhphic ratio. Done right (with proper re-scaling and compression choices) it will look great on an HD screen.


I don't know about Architecture, but I can appreciate the choice. Hopefully, you can set chapters that it can read.


AGain, good luck.


Russ

May 9, 2012 7:43 PM in response to Russ H

Thanks Russ I didnt' know that.


I guess I'm overwelmend with the options in Compressor. All I want to do is get the 2 40 minute editted FCPX clips into a file format that I can then read with Sony DVD Archetect (which I thought had to be MOV) and I seel all these options. Again this is just a 13 Gig original file and it seems that anything other then H264 yeilds a file that is over 40Gig of which a DVD can only hold 4 right?


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May 10, 2012 4:49 AM in response to dkardell

Hey Dan.


This discussion ofDVD Video may be helpful in developing an understanding of specs and how they might affect workflow decisions.


The general approach is to take an editing file that's encoded with a lot of information (like Pro Res) and then trancode it to a delievry file, encoded with a codec (like h.264 or MPEG-2) that relies on less information to approximate the original. The editing files are always huge compared to the delivery files.

Compressor - and other encoding apps – can take a 40 GB file and do the necessary compressions to fit it on a single layer disk. In the process, of course, one runs into limits, beyond which quality hits become noticable even to the most casual viewer.


I don't know how the Sony authoring app works. It's possible it does the down-scaling and MPEG-2 encoding and doesn't mind being fed a 1080 file. By way of comparison, iDVD is quite happy to do exactly that and IMO, does a very good job. However, I typically recommend to others what I do myself, which is tto downscale in Compressor. And while you indicate Architect wants a QuickTime file, I also don't know whether it will work well – or at all – with a Pro Res QT MOVIE.


WHy don't you "waste" a few disks by testing a small section of your movie? See how and whether Architect can do what you need and compare its quality to one that is created directly from Compressor.



Good luck.


Russ

May 10, 2012 2:31 PM in response to Russ H

This project is almost exactly like the one I just finished: school talent show, 3 cameras, DVD required. But only one of my cameras was HD. After some experimentation, I ended up settling on the Send to Compressor share option from FCP X, adding chapter marks in Compressor, and using Compressor to burn the DVD. Yes, I had to give up a fancier DVD menu, but my only other available option was iDVD which had great DVD menus but terrible video quality. As Russ indicated, DVD is not an HD format, so you won't be able to preserve your full HD resolution on a DVD.


BTW, I ended up splitting my project onto two DVDs, 1:15 each, so that I could keep the DVD quality high.

May 11, 2012 10:21 AM in response to Russ H

Thanks Russ I really appreciate the help.


I think I"m going to try this.


Edit in FCPX and export to MPEG-2 because that is what is needed on the DVD right?


Then use DVD Architect on each of the MPEG-2 to create the menu.


Then burn which should theoretically not require any rendering as the files are in MPEG-2 format which is what is required for DVD right?


I still have to get my arms around shooting in 1080i and rendering to 720. I guess if I'm going to just create DVD's I really don't need to shoot in 1080i because I can't get 1080i on a DVD right? I think this is finally making sense.


Dan

May 11, 2012 10:38 AM in response to dkardell

Hey Dan,


Hope this works with DVD Architect, but again – have no idea what are supported files formats in that app.Didn't have time to anything other than a cursory search, but didn't come up with supported file formats.


Feed it a test file and see what happens. If it doesn't work, I'd suggest iDVD …or ENcore on a Mac.


Best of luck.


Russ

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