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Anne' Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I have an Epson Expression 800 scanner which became non-functioning when I updated to OS 10.5. I have tried Vue Scan, doesn't work. Am wondering if I can partition my G4MDD HD and install OS 10.4 on it to get the scanner working again?

OS isn't noted below, but am running 10.5.8 on it right now.


PowerMac, iOS 5.1.1, running 10.5.8,
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,015 points)

    It should work...

     

    http://forums.dealmac.com/read.php?1,979483,980056

     

    In System Profiler does anything show under SCSI?

     

    If you need 10.4.x to run it, I suggest an external Firewire drive to boot from & install 104.x to.

  • japamac Level 7 Level 7 (24,390 points)

    Am wondering if I can partition my G4MDD HD and install OS 10.4 on it to get the scanner working again?

    Yes.

    That is how I run my Coolscan slide scanner; boot to a Tiger partion on an internal drive in my Quicksilver and scan away.....

     

    Otherwise, as suggested, an external firewire drive (a bit slower than your ATA/100 bus) or even a second internal drive.

    You may have as many bootable drives or volumes as you wish to install , connect or create.

  • Anne' Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi BDAqua,

    Thank you for the swift reply. I am wondering why you would suggest an external HD, rather than partitioning?  I have a firewire HD, but would like the streamlined process of a partition. Or am I misguided on that? Any thoughts? I like knowing what I do is the best practice.

     

    Also, since I backed my 10.4.11 system onto my external HD, do I need the physical disks for 10.3.9 in order to upgrade to 10.4 and so on onto the partition? Can I just drag the folder that has 10.4.11 in it from my external HD to the partition as is, in toto? Does this take a bunch of time?

     

    Also, assuming I'm going to partition, do I need to set up a separate password, etc, to get to the new partitioned area I want for scanning? May seem like a simple question, but I'm trying to foresee the possible way things will actually look. Is there a lot of set-up of operating this-and-thats I should know about beforehand?

    Thank you so much for the advice. I truly appreciate it, as will my wallet of I don't have to shell out $3000.00 for a replacement scanner, enticing though the notion...My expression 800 artist scanner works just fine for my purposes.

  • Anne' Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hello japamac,

    Thank you for your swift reply! How much space did you allot for your new partition? What did you base that on?

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,015 points)

    A separate drive is best because OSX needs/wants lots of free space on the partition/drive it's booted from.

     

    What size is your HDD now, & how much free space on it?

  • Anne' Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    My HD is one terrabyte, with 885 gigs free. I'm sure it would support 10.4.11 size wise. I will use this method. It makes sense not to take up space on my G4.It's a 1.6GHz dual processor, with 2 GB of memory.

    So, if I am using my HD for the drive to operate my scanner, then I would need to make it my startup preference, right? Also, is the folder that contains the backup of my old system enough as reference 10.4? Or do I need a physical installation disk for 10.4 or 10.3? Can the OS be updated just the same as my tower?

    Thanks for your patience. I know just enough to be dangerous, so I'm asking a lot of maybe obvious questions.

  • japamac Level 7 Level 7 (24,390 points)

    since I backed my 10.4.11 system onto my external HD, do I need the physical disks for 10.3.9 in order to upgrade to 10.4 and so on onto the partition?

    No. You may use a cloning utility  such a SuperDuper.

    Can I just drag the folder that has 10.4.11 in it from my external HD to the partition as is, in toto?

    No. Use the cloning utility. In this way, the hidden files, the unnecessary files and the proper links and such will all be taken care of to creat an identical, bootable volume.

    Does this take a bunch of time?

    The initial creation (duplication) varies on the size of the volume being cloned. From 15 minutes to an hour is common.

    assuming I'm going to partition, do I need to set up a separate password, etc, to get to the new partitioned area I want for scanning?

    If you clone, when you boot to the new partition, you will use the same password.

    Even if you install new, you may set the same password.

    then I would need to make it my startup preference, right?

    Either that, or, hold Option (Alt on Windows keyboards) when you start up. This brings up the Startup Manager and allows you to choose which volume to boot to.

    Also, is the folder that contains the backup of my old system enough as reference 10.4?

    As long as the backup is bootable, you may clone it to another drive or even just boot to it.

    Or do I need a physical installation disk for 10.4 or 10.3? Can the OS be updated just the same as my tower?

    Consider each new hard drive or each new partition as another "computer". The thing is, all these reside within the same machine.

    So, which each new drive or volume, you install and set up your OS as you did when you first bought and setup your computer.

    All these new systems can reside in one machine. You may boot between them at will, but cannot run two (or more) at the same time.

     

    If you use clone utilities such as SuperDuper, then you only need to install an OS and applications once.

    After that, using the clone utility, you can recreate a duplicate at anytime, and use the utility to keep an identical backup, to which you may also boot.

     

    Use the Startup manager to choose which you wish to boot to, and leave the Startup drive preference in the system preferences set to the drive/volume that you use the most.

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,015 points)

    Good to ask questions!

     

    Plenty of space on the drive for Tiger then.

     

    Yes, either Tiger as Startup Disk, or hold Option/alt key at restart or bootup to choose it.

     

    Also, is the folder that contains the backup of my old system enough as reference 10.4? Or do I need a physical installation disk for 10.4 or 10.3?

    Unless that's a complete clone you'll need to Install all over again.

     

    Can the OS be updated just the same as my tower?

    Sorry, not sure what you're asking.

  • Anne' Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Um, say I only have OS10.3 installation disks, if I were to want to update to 10.4.11 via the internet, could I do that? I think I'm getting into the "dangerous" territory here...for the fact that I'd probably just follow along blithely and really mess something up.

  • Anne' Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you so much for the detailed answer! I am getting Super Duper, great tip. You have been so patient and I really appreciate your time in answering these many questions. If I may, I'll get back to you with the results of all this. =-)

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,015 points)

    No sorry, 10.3.x to 10.4.x isn't an update, but a paif upgrade... & not cheap.

  • Anne' Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well, I ran across my 10.2 install dvd that came with the machine. I remembering upgrading to 10.3 paid download, and then to 10.4.11 in a paid download. I located the system backup that has 10.4.11 on it. Is there a way to make this work for me, or should I just take the whole shebang to the repair genius and have them do it? Feels like the waters are rising...

  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (119,015 points)

    I located the system backup that has 10.4.11 on it.

    Can you tell us more about this backup???

     

    Best way to get an exact bootable copy of your old drive to the new one is with Carbon Copy Cloner...

     

    http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html

     

    See if that gives you the option to clone it to this new partition

  • japamac Level 7 Level 7 (24,390 points)

    I located the system backup that has 10.4.11 on it.

    If you can connect that drive to your computer and boot to it, you are golden.

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