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Hourly beach ball (possibly time machine)

Ok guys,


I am having this problem since may be a week. I am suspecting that it started after updating to 10.7.4 Lion.


Every hour, in my case at 47 minutes of the hour, I get a spinning beach ball and my MacBook becomes (sometimes completely) unresponsive. this happend in several programs including, Safari, Word, Powerpoint, Mail, Address Book etc etc.


Once I noticed that when this was happening my Time Machine icon was spinning (preparing backup). So I thought it might be related to that. Especially since time Machine tries to backup every hour. Now I usually backup every couple of days by connecting my USB drive, and have never had these problems before. I am guessing that every time Time Machine tries to make an hourly backup my computer for some reason becomes unresponsive.


I kept an eye out for it and indeed everytime it happens it is at mintue 47 of the hour in my case. And it happens every hour. Although I usually do not see the spinning Time Machine icon since my MacBook usually becomes almost completely unresponsives and reacts to almost nothing. I am guessing that's why I only noticed the time Machine icon spinning just once.


Has any one else had these problems? And if so do you have a solution for it? It's really annoying to have this problem if you are in the middle of something.

MacBook 5,1 Aluminium 2008, Mac OS X (10.5.7), C2D 2.4GHz, 4GB, 250GB

Posted on May 14, 2012 2:00 PM

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May 14, 2012 5:15 PM in response to W.R.R. Farid

That doesn't sound like a Time Machine problem. It does try to back up hourly, but it won't be at the same minute of every hour for very long.


There must be something else scheduled to run at that time. Make sure by turning TM OFF well before the 47 minute mark (and being sure a backup isn't already running).


Post back with your results, and we'll see whether you need to investigate a problem with TM (or your USB drive), or something else.

May 15, 2012 12:38 PM in response to Pondini

Ok, so restated again. And even before I could disable Time Machine I encountered the slow down again. I was actually just in Activity Monitor and saw that I had a huge disc activity peak at almost 40MB/sec. I cannot see what process is causing this. Any idea's how I could see the details on this?


And this time the peak was earlier (at 30 minutes). I am guessing it's something that happens after startup and from that moment on every hour. I am gonna keep an eye out when it happens again now while I am working on the MacBook. See if I can identify what is causing the huge disc activity.

May 15, 2012 12:52 PM in response to W.R.R. Farid

W.R.R. Farid wrote:


Ok, so restated again. And even before I could disable Time Machine I encountered the slow down again. I was actually just in Activity Monitor and saw that I had a huge disc activity peak at almost 40MB/sec. I cannot see what process is causing this. Any idea's how I could see the details on this?

See what's using the CPU. Sort the Activity Monitor list by highest % CPU. That's likely to change every few seconds as the display is refreshed, but see if one Process Name is among the top items consistently.


And/or, eject and disconnect the USB drive. If there's a problem with it, OSX may be trying to figure out what it is and/or fix it.

May 15, 2012 12:54 PM in response to etresoft

etresoft wrote:


It sounds like Time Machine's local snapshots. How much free disk space do you have? Are you running any software like virtual machines or Entourage that create very large files that frequently change and need to be backed up or exluded?

It certainly shouldn't be, unless it's having trouble deleting old snapshots.


In that case, the mtmd and/or mtmfs processes should be using a lot of CPU.

May 26, 2012 3:04 PM in response to W.R.R. Farid

@etresoft

I am not using any programs that use very large files. Just running OS Lion with normal office utilities. Currently have 97GB of space left on my hard drive. I actually only backup my documents folder using Time Machine. Nothing more. That folder is less that 4GB so I can not imagine that would cause a problem.


@Pondini

I have been trying to analyze which process causes thebeach ball. But I have not been able to identify a process which causes a lot of CPU usage. What I did notice is that during the beach ball activity monitor registers a huge ammount of disc activity. However, I have not found a way to identify what process is causing this since CPU doesn't really seem to be the limitation here. Any ideas how to identify the process causing the disc activity?


I will see if the mtmd or mtmfs cause hogging to see if Time Machine indeed is the problem.


Meanwhile I have looked at my sheduled processes with Lingon but have not found anything that is turned on to do hourly cycles. I did find that my hard disk had som broken permissions which I repaired using disk utiliy. I actually stumbled upon those when iTunes was being weird.


So summary: still hacing this problem and still no solution. So anyone with additional ideas or recognizing these problems an having solved them don;t hesitate to reply.

May 26, 2012 5:49 PM in response to W.R.R. Farid

It's not clear whether you got Time Machine turned OFF (and any backup either finished or cancelled).


If not, do that. Wait a bit, as any Local Snapshots will be deleted, and that does take some time. If the problem persists, then you know it's not Time Machine (or Local snapshots).


You might also want to verify your internal HD (not permissions), just to rule out directory problems. See #6 in Using Disk Utility if you're not sure how to do that.

Jun 7, 2012 2:13 PM in response to Pondini

Thanks Pondini.


I did turn off my Time Machine for a while but the problem persists. So I turned on time Machine again now.


I have already verified the permissions. And some of those needed to be fixed and were. But the problem still persists after this.


So basically still having this problem, and no real source found on what is causing it. I am more surprised (but also happy) that I am the only one having this problem. Since I seem to be the only one having this problem it is probably solvable by a clean install in a worse case scenario, which I would like to prevent


Any idea;s on how to solve this are welcome

Jun 7, 2012 2:26 PM in response to W.R.R. Farid

W.R.R. Farid wrote:


I actually only backup my documents folder using Time Machine. Nothing more.

Time Machine works best when you just turn it on and let it run. In theory, you should be able to exclude everything but your documents folder. In practice, people reporting problems with Time Machine have often made some changes to the default settings. I suspect that in many cases, those people may have made other, possibly command-line modifications as well.

Jun 7, 2012 2:30 PM in response to W.R.R. Farid

W.R.R. Farid wrote:

. . .

I have already verified the permissions.

No, you need to run Verify Disk, not Verify Disk Permissions.



So basically still having this problem, and no real source found on what is causing it. I am more surprised (but also happy) that I am the only one having this problem. Since I seem to be the only one having this problem it is probably solvable by a clean install in a worse case scenario, which I would like to prevent

Doubtful; a clean install is a last resort, and rarely accomplishes anything good.


A clue may be lurking in your logs. See the tan box inOSX Log Files to locate your system.log, then the blue box there to decipher it. Look at the messages sent at about the time of the slowdown. If that doesn't help, at a few moments before you anticipate the slowdown, set a "Marker" per the Monitoring the log for a reproducible problem section.

Jul 10, 2012 5:40 AM in response to W.R.R. Farid

I've got this same issue, running Lion, latest updates. TM off or on, doesn't matter. It beachballs hourly and my only recourse is to force shutdown the machine with the power button. I've worked with Apple tech support on the phone and repaired all persmissions, verified disks, removed startup items, all of that. What is the fix, there must be someone smart here to help me, thanks!

Jul 10, 2012 6:51 AM in response to W.R.R. Farid

Have you tried looking in your system.log, per my previous post:


"See the tan box inOSX Log Files to locate yoursystem.log, then the blue box there to decipher it. Look at the messages sent at about the time of the slowdown. If that doesn't help, at a few moments before you anticipate the slowdown, set a "Marker" per the Monitoring the log for a reproducible problem section."

Jul 10, 2012 7:36 AM in response to Pondini

I did. Here's what's happening, right before every crash it's doing something with ws.agile.1PasswordAgent - and it doesn't find the file. I no longer have any 1P files on my machine (I use LastPass). I've searched for the folder /Users/Andy/Library/Application Support/1Password/Agent/1PasswordAGent.app and it's not on my Mac. Help... Link to log output:

https://img.skitch.com/20120710-qiamaf9c2y2hx6e5w7hp4jjaij.jpg

Hourly beach ball (possibly time machine)

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