GinaG2012

Q: MacBook leaking

Looking for advice on how seriously apple will take this issue, and if they will repair replace for free. I have a white MacBook (CrackBook extreme) that has of late had continuous problems. It's out of warranty, of course. Recently the trackpad ceased up. DVD drive is dead. But worryingly last night I picked it up off the coffee table to find it in a huge puddle of clear fluid. No oily or greasy just water type substance but absolutely stinking of chemical. As I turned it up to dry the underneath more trickled out of the front and sides. Nothing was around it, spilt on it or such. This was definitely not anything 'drinkable' our coffee table is enamel and it's has actually pulled a layer of the enamel of the top of the table. I investigated the liquid, smelling it etc, it made my hands itch and feel really dry. This really worrys me. I checked the battery, it was dry all in the compartment. I don't understand what it can be, I've searched extensively for a solution/answer but advice is contradictory everywhere. The screen is fine, not bleeding anywhere. I don't believe these machines to be liquid cooled. New battery after being replaced by apple for bulging battery, then again for battery not holding power.

 

I want to speak with someone at apple, is there any way other than the premium rate numbers? I can't afford that right now. I can't afford a repair, nor for this fault do I think I should have to pay. Genius bar is a pain to get to. Id prefer to mail it all off etc and lose the computer for a few weeks. Anyone ever called the tech support and has the fee waived? I've been a apple customer for a longtime. Annoying I missed the extended replacement program for the cracking as its extensive on this MacBook, they might of done more work on it than just the casing as I believe it's definitely affecting the trackpad and more.

 

At the same time as buying this MacBook, a black MacBook was also purchased. Both have been used the same, cared for the same. No problems whatsoever with that machine. Think the battery was replaced for 'courtesy' by apple as its a known fault but that's it. No cracking on that machine.

 

How do I figure out when I bought this? Stupid question really. But I don't remember the exact year, it would help me if I need it. It must be 2007/2008. Regardless I find it ridiculous such a good runner is having such issues, if you were to plug in the original mac my dad has that would still work and it's 5 times plus the age of this machine. They don't do it like they used to!! I really need this computer, I've got to do something. Can anyone help please? All advice appreciated.

MacBook, iOS 5.1.1

Posted on May 15, 2012 3:37 AM

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  • by laundry bleach,Helpful

    laundry bleach laundry bleach May 15, 2012 9:18 AM in response to GinaG2012
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    May 15, 2012 9:18 AM in response to GinaG2012

    As yours is at least potentially a safety issue because of the fumes, you should contact Apple immediately at the appropriate phone number on this page. I suspect they will want to talk to you about this to make sure neither you nor your property were damaged. As to whether they will repair your MacBook out of warranty, that is something you will have to discuss with them.

     

    You - or at least Apple - can find the date of manufacture from the serial number of the MacBook. Be sure to have that ready when you call them.

     

    Do not use the computer again until Apple tells you it is okay.

     

    Best of luck.

  • by GinaG2012,

    GinaG2012 GinaG2012 May 15, 2012 10:22 AM in response to laundry bleach
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    May 15, 2012 10:22 AM in response to laundry bleach

    Thanks for the reply. After a lengthy conversation with a guy at apple he is going to forward all the information to have a meeting with a few of his team regarding a safety issue as it was giving off chemical fumes and has caused damage to a table within my property. He said they may well come and collect it for inspection. I won't be charged for this although I'm out of warranty as it's a safety issue opposed to a standard fault. Thought id have a nightmare explaining it to them but they were really understanding.

     

    He is contacting me tomorrow with a result and final decision on what they will be doing. I am not touching that computer ever again, until it's fixed. I dread to think what that was. Both tech support guys say it's battery fluid from bulging battery issue even though I've had it replaced once under warranty and bought a second out of warranty just 8 months ago. I know what to look for and it certainly isnt bulging or any such misshapen.

     

    Hope this gets sorted.

  • by laundry bleach,Helpful

    laundry bleach laundry bleach May 15, 2012 11:01 AM in response to GinaG2012
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    May 15, 2012 11:01 AM in response to GinaG2012

    I'm glad they were able to talk to you and work with you. In my experience Apple takes potential safety issues very seriously. I guess they can't afford to hurt any customers . I'm surprised they were willing to even speculate on what the liquid was.

     

    Anyway, good luck on getting your MacBook fixed.

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    laundry bleach laundry bleach May 15, 2012 11:08 AM in response to laundry bleach
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    May 15, 2012 11:08 AM in response to laundry bleach

    By the way, if the battery you purchased 8 months ago is the one that leaked, it has a warranty of its own for one year from date of purchase, assuming it is an Apple battery. You should at the very least be able to get it replaced free of charge. Be prepared, if you can, to show proof or purchase if it was not bought from Apple.

  • by GinaG2012,

    GinaG2012 GinaG2012 May 16, 2012 9:00 AM in response to laundry bleach
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    May 16, 2012 9:00 AM in response to laundry bleach

    The guy got back to me today after speaking with several people and they are none the wiser. Still speculating battery fluid although they are inclined to say its probably not as the amount of liquid ive described. The battery would of needed to have literally burst. They are aware I know what I'm talking about and would of noticed a bulging battery and definitely would of noticed a exploded battery. They say there is not enough liquid in the machine to cause such an amount to surface from it.

     

    I've had to email pictures of the whole laptop, inside the battery compartment, the battery itself, the serial numbers. I've also included images of the damage to my property. That's what gets me most. I'm trawling the net trying to find a thread I was reading before regarding leaking MacBooks where people were complaining of minimal fluid leaking from the battery latch - that's not my issue, but someone on there described the exact same amount of fluid as me and the same model I believe. It's the only person I've seen online with the same complaint so I know it's been an issue before for someone out there.

     

    I don't know what I can do if they don't accept responsibility. I assure them 110% nothing was spilt on it or underneath it. Im ahppy for them to take it and inspect it to check my claims as it were. I've been an apple customer my whole life, all the electronic products I've owned that can be, have been apple and I've never had any problems bar known faults. I have to say they are fantastic for investigating this issue 5 years out of warranty, I wouldn't expect that from another company. I love the quality of their products, is wouldn't choose anyone else to go to. I hope they recognise such valued customers. I'm worried my young daughter has been around this machine, or could of touched the fluid that was on the table before I noticed it. I just horrible not knowing what it was. Right now, I wish I was a computer repair technician, then I might have a clue. When it comes to the internal, I'm stumped!

  • by custom mini,

    custom mini custom mini May 16, 2012 3:57 PM in response to GinaG2012
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    May 16, 2012 3:57 PM in response to GinaG2012

    Oh my God,

     

    First off I'm not disputing what you have said here, BUT I personally would not let the issue drop if Apple say 'no not our problem' as you probably know already the lithium ion battery in your (any) MacBook contains Lithium a very dangerous heavy metal so in my mind you have a case, even if a very small amount leaded out of the machine and say you had a small child or an animal that ingested the liquid they would become very ill indeed - the fact you don't is not the issue you have suffered damage lucky it was only the coffee table !

     

    Custom mini.

  • by GinaG2012,

    GinaG2012 GinaG2012 May 17, 2012 4:24 AM in response to custom mini
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    May 17, 2012 4:24 AM in response to custom mini

    I'm not going to let it drop. I will keep going until they can prove its not their issue. I'm trying my hardest to find others out there online in forums etc that have had an issue similar to this. A lot of people have the chemical smell but not with fluid. I'm aware Greenpeace did a full report in the use of toxic chemicals in laptops some years ago, I have just read the full report, although the report for apple was done on a MacBook pro it did find high levels of chemical substances that didn't need to be in the machine. From what I've read, and I'm no chemist, I can't work out what quantities these were found so I can't use that in my argument. It's so frustrating. Now I know, for sure, I had no chemicals around at the time, let alone in my house. We're not talking things like acetone here, more chlorine and similar. I am adament this wasn't my problem. I'd leave it if it was any other issue, the computer is 6 years old, it's out of their hands and it's still running fine but the issue for sure is SAFETY. I might run a hardware test on the battery and email that over to the customer service agent too, I'm pretty sure it will be absolutely normal.

  • by GinaG2012,

    GinaG2012 GinaG2012 May 17, 2012 9:00 AM in response to GinaG2012
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    May 17, 2012 9:00 AM in response to GinaG2012

    So I've had another call from apple. I'm really annoyed now. It seems to me from the latest call from the senior technician handling this issue that they want to try and push the blame to accidental liquid damage. They are saying it does need immediately looked at by a genius at a apple branch or premium apple repair provider. When I asked about the cost of this the reply was 'depends what they find' if it's accidental liquid damage I would become liable for repair, which I can accept is fair enough but I know for sure that wasn't the cause. How can I prove this? I don't think I can. I am happy for them to investigate the issue, but I'm unhappy if I incur any fees for it. He said will cross that bridge when we come to it but that's just not good enough for me. My Dad is telling me up just to leave it and we will sort out a new MacBook but it's the frustration of not knowing what happened.

     

    Would you just still go and see what they say? If they suggest a repair at your cost then just leave it? Really I just want to know its safe to use. It's still working fine, but I'm not allowed to touch it until apple have inspected it.

  • by laundry bleach,

    laundry bleach laundry bleach May 17, 2012 9:04 AM in response to GinaG2012
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    May 17, 2012 9:04 AM in response to GinaG2012

    I would leave it with the Apple folks to do their investigation. No need to authorize a paid repair until they find out what exactly went wrong. You can put your decision off until you know that.

  • by nathanglass,

    nathanglass nathanglass Apr 27, 2013 11:33 AM in response to GinaG2012
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    Apr 27, 2013 11:33 AM in response to GinaG2012

    I'd like to register that I have had almost exactly the same experience as GinaG2012. Having gone out for a run (locked room, no pets, houseguests, etc.), I returned home to find my white Macbook (2009 model) on my desk sitting in a small amount of yellow-ish, unusual smelling liquid. Having sat on the phone to apple support, I agreed with the advisor to take it in to my local store. The Genius support guy removed the battery, which was dry, and then opened up the machine, but aside from some yellow discolouration in parts, couldn't see anything serious.

     

    As with above, the Genius guy's verdict was that I must have spilled something on it. But I'm very sure that I didn't. It's very frustrating, because I'm a committed apple user, but no longer feel comfortable using my macbook - I'm looking at ~£800 for a new machine...

     

    Gina, what was the outcome of your situation? I'm wondering what next steps I have, if any...

  • by GinaG2012,

    GinaG2012 GinaG2012 Apr 27, 2013 2:37 PM in response to nathanglass
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    Apr 27, 2013 2:37 PM in response to nathanglass

    Hi,

     

    I escalated my issue with apple all the way up to senior level within the call centre. I sent extensive pictures and dialogue of the incident directly to senior advisors who urgently wanted it seen at a genius bar. But it all became very apparent to me that the only thing they wanted to do was blame liquid damage, which wasnt the case. As the computer was many years old and had suffered liquid damage in the past I knew the detectors in the machine would should some liquid damage, its had heaps spilt on it but still survived. That was anything to do with the issue I was having last year, but they would of just seen the detectors and said 'yeah, liquid damage, your liable for repair'. This liquid definitely had a chemical component, it stank to high heaven of that chemical fumey smell. I wasn't prepared to stand for it as a apple user for 15+ years. I never visited the genius bar as it was too much hassle for me, especially when the blame started to edge closer to me on numerous emails and phone calls. I got a new macbook, but continue to also use the one with issues but its never had any since. The battery casing is cracked, the whole face of the computer is falling off, the screen is hanging on by a thread but its still chugging along just fine.

     

    I did think after all my calls with Apple though that I forgot the HDD was replaced with a Crucial solid state drive about 12 months prior to leaking, the issue may lie there, but I'm unsure. As I say hasn't happened since. I've taken it apart last christmas to switch ram with new macbook and the whole inside is absolutely fine.

     

    Hope this helps, anything else I'll see the email come through and come back again to try and help. Be interesting to know what Apple make of it..

  • by CartoonsAndCereal ,

    CartoonsAndCereal CartoonsAndCereal Nov 5, 2015 8:09 PM in response to GinaG2012
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    Nov 5, 2015 8:09 PM in response to GinaG2012

    This same issue just happened with my MacBook Pro as well. I closed my Mac on Sunday afternoon still running and returned to it on Tuesday evening to pick it up with  sitting on a rather saturated neoprene case. I picked the MacBook up and tilted it and a mostly clear but slightly milky colored liquid came from the usb and batter charging port. Some came in contact with my skin but nothing resulted (washed my hands quickly after). The fan area looked wet as well. I then gave it a sniff  it had a light fishy/chemical cent. I contacted apple but  senior rep I spoke with had never heard of this but instructed me to put into a container and scheduled an appointment with the genius bar. I have an appointment Sunday. I don't understand how there is no explanation. 


  • by ConorjW,

    ConorjW ConorjW Apr 10, 2016 7:21 AM in response to GinaG2012
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    Apr 10, 2016 7:21 AM in response to GinaG2012

    hi, i know this is ages old now but could it be the heatsink liquid? I assume that's what the pipes are for, transferring heat via oil or water, from the processor to fan airflow. Maybe they've ruptured? see here https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/4GIDXXkjWdSpXVYL

    I don't know what this liquid is, or if there is any but it seems likely. Have you noticed the macbook is hotter than normal? Capacitors won't contain enough liquid to do this, the most obvious suspect is the battery...due to acidity you described, but if its not punctured then who knows

    Also did you wipe the table before you left it? Ive wiped a surface before and its stayed wet for hours under my macbook and tv remotes etc.