Anybody using the StudioPro 3 monitors?

A review of these monitors sounded too good to be true? (Especially for the price.) Anyone using these?
M-AUDIO - StudioPro 3 - Professional Desktop Audio Monitors

Kurt

iMac 500 mhz, 9.2.2; iBook G4;, Mac OS X (10.3.9), Firewire ext. HD

Posted on Mar 10, 2006 12:48 PM

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Mar 10, 2006 7:50 PM in response to MyApple8MyPC

They don't produce any true bass..


Just to clarify, I am looking for studio monitors, not speakers. When you say 'true' do you mean inaccurate? Most normal speakers boost bass and treble.

Quote from this Sound on Sound article:
MONITORS versus HI-FI SPEAKERS
"And if you've used speakers that demonstrate extremes, they may well leave the results of all your efforts sounding far from as intended when your music is played back on any other system."


I am looking for Studio Monitors to accurately mix my Garageband sessions.

Kurt

Mar 10, 2006 10:29 PM in response to WarriorAnt

accuracy for $100?


The summary of my question!!

These speakers got a very decent review in the newest MacAddict, not as speakers but as monitors. Needless to say, this peaked my interest.

If you had told me that I could get a decent keyboard or a mixer for under $100.00 I would have looked at you funny. Yet the Keystation 49e and Behringer mixer I am using are surprisingly good, each under $100.00.

We are living in a great age of gizmos!

Kurt

Mar 10, 2006 11:36 PM in response to Kurt Weber

"We are living in a great age of gizmos"

Unfortunately all the gizmos in the world can't change physics. In order to reproduce accurate bass you've got to move air, and a 3 inch driver simply isn't ( read can't) do that. You'd be better off sonically if you got something like a pair of Logitech Z-2300's which are THX®-certified. You can learn about THX by going here:

http://www.thx.com/mod/services/pm3overview.html

You also need to keep in mind that you could have $1,000.00 monitors in your room and they'd still just be no more than pricey speakers if you don't use a spectrum analyzer to zero out your room. Your monitors and your room need to work as one. Just buying good monitors is only half the battle.

Mar 11, 2006 6:56 AM in response to MyApple8MyPC

Thanks for your info.

More Clarification: I am obviously working from a limited budget. Expensive equipment or software is not an option.

My goal is to create mixes that are decent enough to be enjoyable to listen to by taking the dullness out of them caused by frequency cancellation and poor instrument placement in the mix.

My mixing has been all done via a decent set of studio headphones. Obviously, panning, 3D imaging, adjusting and carving EQ is very difficult, if not impossible, with this set up. If these monitors could get me close I can do the rest by trial and error, playing the mix on a variety of systems. it doesn't seem like bass speakers, which are designed to color the bass would work for me.

My method of trial and error has been:
1. Find a mix that I believe is done well. (Professional recording that sounds good on my iMac, iBook and car stereo.)

2. Play the tune in iTunes and adjust the EQ until it sounds its best. Use this setting as a base setting to listen to my mixes when they are done. Adjust my mix via headphones until it sounds good in this iTunes setting.

3. Listen to the mix on several setups on loud and soft settings. (Car Stereo,CD Player) Adjust until it sounds good on all.

Kurt

Mar 11, 2006 10:07 AM in response to Kurt Weber

"Expensive equipment or software is not an option. "

I understand that Kurt, which is why your next question should be "where can I find the Z-2300 for less money". This way you keep the accuracy, but stay within your budget. You don't need to spend gobs of money to have a decent studio IF you understand how sound works, and stay within it's perimeters. For example; getting rid of standing waves is VERY important when you're laying down a fresh track and/or mixing it down. In the studio we use special acoustical foam on the walls to absorb standing waves, but on a budget you could just as easily put up drapes or sheets 6 inches away from the walls to achieve basically the same thing. You could also use something like an Alesis MEQ-230 or DEQ-230 to EQ your mixing room to make your recordings more accurate. Do a google and you can still find these for a measly 40 bucks, which is a bargain considering what they do!

I took some time and searched around for you Kurt and I found the Z-2300's for as low as 56 bucks! You're not going to do any better than that my friend. THX accuracy at half the price of the M-Audio speakers. You can find them here Kurt:

http://www.buy.com/retail/Product.asp?sku=10380060&SearchEngine=PriceRunner&Type =PE&Keyword=10380060&Category=Comp&dcaid=17712


Hopefully that is what you're looking for Kurt. Let us know if these monitors will work on your budget. If so, please mark this thread as solved, so that others can find this monitor information helpful also. If you have other questions please don't hesitate to ask. We're here to help.

Mar 12, 2006 8:45 PM in response to MyApple8MyPC

The Z-2300's look like standard speakers, not near-field monitors. Why would these be better? They probably color the sound on both ends. Ye old smile curve!

Your point on moving air is excellent. I believe that as you move up the price range the bass is what improves the most.

My question really was: What am I losing by only spending $100.00 on a pair of monitors? Answer: Bass mixing might be difficult. It may pay to wait and save up some more money for a decent pair.

Kurt

Mar 12, 2006 9:53 PM in response to Kurt Weber

"Why would these be better? They probably color the sound on both ends"

Ordinarily I would agree, but these are THX certified. That means that they HAVE TO be accurate. I looked at the four channel version of the Z-2300 this weekend and it appears that the drivers are from DynAudio. This would verify their accuracy. The simple fact that they are THX certified proves that the last thing you'll need to worry about is 'coloration' of the sound field.

" What am I losing by only spending $100.00 on a pair of monitors? Answer: Bass mixing might be difficult."

40 percent of your audio information is bass. You could mix the perfect song, and if you got the bass wrong it could ruin the entire song. This is another reason why you shouldn't be using a 3 inch driver for any bass reproduction ( unless your ganging the drivers together like 901's). The Z-2300's don't focus the bass on 3 inch drivers, it has a separate woofer for this purpose, again, THX certified. It is also a bi-amped system, which is unheard of at that price point. You'll have to spend ten times more money to even come close to the sonic qualities of the Z-2300's. And even if you did spend ten times more for the monitors, then you'd still have to match the pre-amps/amps to the monitors to keep their accuracy. The Z-2300's do all of that already as it is part of the THX certification system.

Mar 13, 2006 1:06 AM in response to xs4is

This was taken directly from the THX web site. It explains THX certification standards and why they are so stringent:

" Clearly, the best way to hear clean dialogue is to reproduce it with as little coloration as possible. This means you need to hear flat frequency response all across the listening area and have minimal speaker/room interaction."

Also, THX subwoofers need to be able to accurately and cleanly reproduce down to 20Hz. @105db. This includes the Z-2300's. You're not going to be able to do that with a 3 inch 'woofer' ( even if there were such a thing as a 3 inch woofer).

Mar 13, 2006 10:40 AM in response to Kurt Weber

Bass is omnidirectional, so it's not a real problem. Ordinarily you would place it in one of the four corners of the room, however this will give you a 3-6db bump in the bass and you don't know if you need that without analyzing the room first. Some rooms are bass deficient because of their shape and/or the furniture that they contain. Others are just the opposite. I'm assuming that you don't have any testing equipment to test where you're going to mix down, so you'll need to use your ears, which unfortunately is a last resort kind of thing, but it will get you in the correct ballpark. You'll need to get some sort of a pink noise generator and play it through the speakers while you're setting up the woofer. As you play the signal, move the woofer along the side of your wall until it is approximately the same volume as the mids and highs. However, don't do this for the first 10 minutes of listening to the pink noise, as your ears and brain will try to try to make some sense out of the noise and fool you. You should adjust to the pink noise after the first 10 minutes or so, but don't play around with the volume. As you move the woofer closer to the corner you'll notice the woofer as getting louder, depending on how your room is set up this could be good, or bad. Pay attention ONLY to bass intensity against the intensity of the mids and highs. Don't confuse intensity with volume. Most square rooms should end up with the woofer around a foot away from the corner, BUT your room may vary, so trust your judgment Kurt. You're doing the mixing, you're ears are being used, so it has to sound good to your ears alone. If someone comes in your room and tells you it sounds bad (which they might) then just ignore them. Most people think that accurate sound doesn't sound good, which is why God invented tone controls for those people. If you don't have pink noise then in a pinch you can use white noise. An AM radio tuned to static can be used for this. Also remember that after you find where to place the woofer you will want to second guess where you placed it. Some songs are mixed with more bass than others. This doesn't mean that you placed the woofer in the wrong place, it simply means that the song has more bass energy than other songs. Also, if you normally have someone else in the same room where you do your mixing, then make sure that someone else is in the room when you adjust the speakers. Otherwise their presence will throw off the accuracy of the room. Make sure there's no talking while they're in the room and you're analyzing. Hope that helps.

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