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iMac 24" Intel/Early 2009 Graphics Card Issues, How to Disable Quartz Extreme in Lion?

I have searched online but cannot find a method in Lion for disabling Quartz Extreme. Has anyone done this and if so, how is it done?


I have an iMac 24" Intel/Early 2009 2.93GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with the

NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 256 MBgraphics card which is an MXM mobile card that so many people have had issues with and it has some serious and odd graphics card Issues. When connected to my Dell 2048 24" display via DVI adapter, it remains relatively stable. I do have freezes more often than what would be considered normal, but it is when it is a standalone iMac, with no external display that I have incessant freezes and graphics artifacts followed by a freeze. I've done the usual, fsck, permissions, permissions off Lion USB boot, Onyx, reinstall, unplugged everything but the keyboard and mouse and I've even disassembled the iMac and cleaned the graphics and CPU chips when I was putting in an SSD. I have installed a fan control app and the only reliable way to run this iMac when the external is not connected is in Safe Mode.


In Safe Mode it is stable and does not ever crash and is generally a usable machine, however, there are limitations so I'm looking for a way to disable Quartz Extreme in the latest Lion 10.7.4 ver. so I can run this iMac more as a "normal" machine with audio, search & etc working. Neither work in Safe Mode. I am hoping that by disabling Quart Extreme that I can get a stable machine back for those times when I'm traveling with my iMac and need to work.


Thanks,

JoeL

Atlanta, GA

iMac (2009) 2.93GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB Ram, NVIDIA GeForce GT 120, Mac OS X (10.7.2), Added 2TB 7200rpm HD, maxed Memory

Posted on May 31, 2012 2:56 PM

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Jun 1, 2012 12:13 PM in response to a brody

I have run the hardware test and my firmware is firmly up-to-date. What works is turning off Quartz Extreme, in fact, my iMac has been running dependably in Safe Mode for two days now, a record wildly beyond what's possible when not in Safe Mode.


I'd like to be able to use _other_features of my iMac while I'm in non-Quartz Extreme mode, but cannot in Safe Mode.


I know what the issue is, with as much certainly as is possible without paying Apple mucho $$ to fix it, the MXM NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 256 MB graphics card is overheating and causing these freezes and display artifacts (prior to freezing) and until I can get home and plug my external display back in I'll continue to get these freezes no matter what (so far) and I've tried just about everything I can find to do short of replacing that card which is the only fix I believe will be definitive . . . unless you know something I don't. ; - )


Thanks,

JoeL

Jun 1, 2012 5:55 PM in response to joeldm

I believe that I found the solution. I installed a program which I downloaded after installing XCode called Quartz Debug which has apparently allowed me to disable Quartz Extreme, 2D Acceleration and Quartz GL. I'm not sure which one of these changes has allowed my shaky iMac to run stably now for three hours, including a half hour running a flash game and to play about the same amount of the iTunes download of the movie Avatar, so I'm relatively confident that what I did is working. Both Flash and Quicktime seem to work fine although there does seem to be a bit of screen redraw lag when moving objects on the screen or opening new windows. Other features seem to work fine such as Dock magnification and the Scale and Genie effects.


To disable Quartz Extreme:


Install XCode and then under the XCode menu (the one to the left of "File") click on Open Developer Tool/More Developer Tools...


That will take you to this web page:

https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action?name=for%20Xcode%20-

(I don't know if just downloading QD will work without installing XCode, it might)


Select and dowload the package of Applications/Tools called:

Graphics Tools for XCode



Drag the Quartz Debug program to your Applications or Utilities folder. Start Quartz Debug. If you don't get the default tools window open when you start it, look under:


Window/Quartz Debug Settings


. . . and a window will open. You can also hit command-1.


In that menu I made these changes:


  • Deselected Enable Quartz Extreme
  • Checked the Disable 2D Acceleration
  • Checked the Disable radio button under Quartz GL


I am not confident that the settings will persist if I close the program. One website suggested that by forcing quit they will persist, but I'm just not sure. I'll experiment with this later and post again if no one else does. So for now I'm leaving it running and with these settings and no other changes.


I also applied the following changes in Terminal although I'm not sure that it did anything:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20120211025246804


So far it's working. I'll follow-up as I have time and once I'm back home.


JoeL

Atlanta, GA

Jan 10, 2013 4:41 AM in response to joeldm

JoeL, do you have any issues (pixelating, freezing, kernel pancis) after you disabled Quartz Extreme? It is 6 months after you post it.

I have Nvidia GT 120 on early 2009 Imac, 2,93 GHz Intel and have problems since 10.6.8 (now i am on 10.8.2). Trying to find some solution and i am going to be nuts. One option is maybe to change graphic card to ati radeon 4850. I need my iMac to work and whithout this issues it would be waste to buy new one.



Please give me your feedback asap.


Thanks, diannee

Mar 15, 2013 7:03 PM in response to joeldm

Joel... any updates? I finally decided to do this to my early 2009 3.2Ghz 24" 8GB ram, after repeatedly getting artifacts like you... I have gone as far as reapplying Artic Silver to the heatsinks on the graphics and processors chips. Even running my fans nearly full blast. I did your trick, but I'm not too thrilled with the way the screen redraws, even in Safari, but if this is my only issue, I can deal with it. I just hate having this awesome iMac aside from the graphic issues... I mainly do work in Lightroom 4, and after heavy usage, I get the artifacts... so far today, everything is fine. Anyway, just wondering how things are working for you?

Mar 16, 2013 3:53 PM in response to rip662

rip & diannee,


My solution got me through a period of multiple daily kernel panics and freezes, but I ultimately didn't see enough of an improvement to justify disabling the graphics features. I do still use it, but only when I have to have a reliable computer running all day.


The procedure I describe in the posts above did help, but gradually there seemed to be little difference between Quartz On or Quartz Off, so I stopped running Quartz debug by default and now only use it when needed. As the crashes started coming back and getting worse, this is what I did to keep my 3-1/2 year-old iMac running:


  • I disassembled it down to the logic board and cleaned everything thoroughly and then reinstalled the OS.
  • I run fsck -fy every time it freezes or crashes.
  • ! run Disk Utility Repair Permissions daily.
  • When not using the computer I logout, even if for 30 minutes which helps keep it cooler.
  • Run smcFanControl with the fans set to 2200.
  • Added an external fan to the back of my iMac sucking hot air out of the top left hand vent area (my left facing the screen) running constantly.
  • I try to logout every 3 hours and take a break to keep it cooler.
  • Run Diskwarrior from boot to repair the file structure when the crashes come too often.


The fan thing I came up with here:

http://hints.macworld.com/comment.php?mode=view&cid=124345


This seems reasonable to me that part of the issue is air is not flowing efficiently inside the system when the graphics card is running so hot. This seems like a defect to me given that so many users have this same issue with the same basic models and graphics configuration.


The next thing I was going to do was to disassemble my iMac again and do as you did, reapply the thermal paste to the graphics chip, but that solution appears to have mixed success. Still, that's my next step along with making a bracket for fans I can tape to the upper vent, a bank of out-sucking fans instead of just the one. If heat is the issue which it appears to be, as summer approaches it's just going to get worse, so I need more airflow. The concern that is that more air means more dust, so ideally I should also probably make some kind of fine filter for the bottom vents that allows good airflow, but keeps out the nasties.


I wish Apple would step up and do a recall on this MMX chip/logic board. It's not normal wear-and-tear, it's a DEFECT and Mac buyers deserve a little more support and a logic-board recall on this issue from Apple. I still hope for Apple to do the right thing here.


For now though, the out-sucking fan does seem to help a bit but it's not enough. If I have Dreamweaver, Bridge, Photoshop, Espresso, Transmit, Mail, Safari, Pandorajam2, Splashtop2 and various other utilities running, I can expect a crash within about 3 hours, so I am trying to manage the hardware I have until I can replace the logic board which, I _hope_ will solve it, but I'm not sure that it will, so I'm reluctant to drop $400-500 on a questionable, used logic board and graphics card in an attempt to fix a computer that ought to be working without me wondering when the screen is going to go crazy and freeze or panic. A new replacement board is as much as a new iMac, so used is the only real option.


I have always felt that Apple products were reliable enough and Apple support flexible enough to work with Apple support and apply logic to these sorts of issues and they just got taken care of. But now it seems that in order to protect what is a significant purchase from Apply you MUST buy Applecare to supplement the basic warranty. If you don't it's a real crap-shoot as to whether or not your Mac will outlast your buddy's Dell and that is a sad state of affairs in my own personal Apple fanboi-land here in Atlanta!


JoeL

Atlanta, ga

Mar 16, 2013 6:57 PM in response to joeldm

Thanks JoeL. I've been running LR4 last night and all day without any crashes. There are times during a render, that the screen would flicker and the temperatures would hit 130F for the graphics chip and then quickly drop to about 96F. This is usually when my iMac would die. So, I'm thinking it's linked to hardware acceleration perhaps. I tried today running the fans at default speeds and still no hiccups. I did have the extended warranty, but my symptoms started 6 months after it expired so no luck there. I have even considered replacing the graphics card with the ATI version. From what I found, only the 3.2GHz logic board will allow a direct swap between nvidia and ATI cards. Disassembling the iMac is easy, especially now that I do it quarterly since I run my fans like vacuum cleaners for dust. I used Artic Silver 5 and expected it to be better than the factory standard. The original thermal paste only covered about 80% of all the chips, so I really expected a difference. I even did this to my wife's MacBook Pro and got better results! I did notice yesterday prior to disabling the QE, that my iMac was not hot in the upper corner. But the air coming out was considerably warm.


Anyway, I edited nearly 2000 photos in LR4 in the past 24 hours and aside from the occasional flicker, everything is ticking. Someone mentioned that it may be the 8GB of ram I have installed. How much do you have? I even swapped positions, but no luck.


Also, every night, I put my iMac to sleep... opt-cmd-(eject) so that it's not sucking in dust...


I agree with you regarding the quality of products I'm seeing from Apple. First, my TimeCapsule power supply died. I fixed it and then they did a recall. Oh well, my solution is better since the power supply is external and it's not generating the heat that the TC's produce. Then numerous iPhone issues. 2 MBP's that overheat, but I have yet to do my daughter's since it's doing better, but MBP batteries that last less than a year on very little use! I could go on and on...


but I like my iMac... I want the new one, but I can't justify replacing it just yet. I even talked my parents into a Mac Mini... shame on me... LOL!

Mar 18, 2013 10:47 AM in response to rip662

Rip,


Just a note because I'm on a deadline, but as you would imagine, the more I stress my machine, running DWCS6, PSCS6, FWCS6, Bridge, Espresso, Mail, Safari, Parallels running Windows 7 (so I can check how my sites look in Windoze), etc, I get more regular and annoying freezes and crashes. I have a big job due so I can't have that anymore, but can't afford a new box, so I dropped the Air-Bomb on the iMac and dug an inline HVAC powervent out of the basement from when I was doing some work down there. It's a 6" inline vent fan, running off house current. I used the aluminum duct tape and taped it to the other side at the top of my iMac sucking air out. It's much, much more powerful than the other processor fan and it's big and ugly, but I don't care right now I have to work.


Immediately after rebooting the temp started dropping from the 120s down under 100deg F and it bounces around under there, never above 100. I'm hoping that's going to keep me humming until I can order and build an armature for three, strong system fans that I can, in a more visually appealing (and hidden) fashion tape to the upper vent. This fan is loud, not crazy loud but loud enough to not be the final solution. Here's the fan:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Suncourt-Inductor-6-in-In-Line-Duct-Fan-DB206/1000675 94#.UUdTEKWsnr0


Crazy I know, but I'll post results. This thing is probably going to be on here for a week until I can get some other, quiet, PC-system fans in and put those to work. Then I am sure I will need some kind of dust filtering for the bottom vents.


But I'm sure that's the low-tech, cheap solution here, lots of air moving over the overheated parts. If not then at some point I'll replace the system board, give this Mac to my kids and buy a new 27" as soon as the CCs clears enough to do so!


Good Luck,

JoeL

Atlanta, GA

Mar 20, 2013 8:20 AM in response to rip662

Rip,


I saw you mentioned replacing card with ATI. I had the same intention. I have 2,93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Early 2009 iMac with NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 256 MB and check up on http://support.apple.com/kb/SP507?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

I bought ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics processor with 512MB of GDDR3 memory with Manufacturer Part Number: 661-5135. Went to service... and guess what. The card didn't fit. That's about it 😟 In the apple service base they have only 120 and 130 GT for 2,93 GHz available, no ATI card. And on apple official site you find ATI card available. Besides this annoying issue this unnecessary purchase was slap to my face over and over again.

I work in IDCS6, PSCS6, ILCS6, i have allways open FontExplorer (which is after crash and reboot having difficulties to open, have to force quit it couple of times), Safari and Mail. I try not to have any video calls on skype, temparature rise like nuts then. I had 8 GB of RAM before freezing and i upgrade it to 16 GB and besides processing press pdf files faster nothing changed.

I tried Joel advice with Quartz On /Off and i keep it on Off, it is annoying when i move windows which is often in my work. I use smcFanControl and keep it around 3000rpm. I monitor temperature and when temparature reaches about 41 C / 106 F I quit all heavy procces to reduce a load of CPU. Sometimes i reboot before freezing (when i see pixelating and squares and it is bad sign), sometimes i am out of luck. Disk permissions - i think they don't have impact.


But main question is is this video card or mother board issue?

I will buy new iMac in maybe 3-4 months, but i would like to keep this iMac as family computer with photos and stuff and of course as reserve computer for work.
If solution would be in some reasonable financial input about 300 $ i would invest it. Maybe Joel external fans would help - update us please. Anyway, dealing with this kind of **** makes apple logo like it is bitten by the end of apple. Guys, sorry on my english - it is not my native language.


Good luck to both of you. Keep in touch.

Diannee

Mar 20, 2013 5:26 PM in response to diannee

diannee,


Are you in the US? If so, maybe I could pay you for that ATI card... I have one that I am watching on Ebay, but I read that some ATI users are also experiencing this artifact issue. But for the right price, I could unburden you with it. LOL! I have done some other things inside my iMac that help with the air flow, but that's when I thought it might be the monitor that was glitching. I'm very interested in that ATI card though... my iMac is a 3.2 and can use it.


I do think that a combination of disabling the QE and applying a better thermal paste is probably why I'm getting good results. I know it sounds daunting, but it really is easy. I've been building PC's since the early '90s, so I'm not afraid to take the iMac apart. There is also a nice Apple Tech Guide that shows almost 100% how to get the items out, but from there you just have to "know" what to do... and as I said, it's easy... I'm not sure if I can private message you, but I will try...


-RIP

iMac 24" Intel/Early 2009 Graphics Card Issues, How to Disable Quartz Extreme in Lion?

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