How do I keep MY folder and song names when converting?

I am trying to convert a whole library full of my song files and iT is renaming folders and files.

I also posted this problem in "Using iTunes." Then though maybe I was using the wrong forum. So I am trying here. Sorry if this is bad, let me know.

I'm lost and confused. During converting files (from MP3 to AAC) iT breaks up my folder full of song files and redistributes the files under newly created folders. For example: I have a folder I titled, "Latin-Mixed." In it are about ten songs by different groups. After iT made the conversions I found ten folders, each was named by the name of the group or artist, and in each was a song file, sometimes with a new title different from mine - like, mine was "01-Compay Segundo-Chan Chan." iTunes changed it to "Track 1." Sometimes the reverse occurs. All I had was a track number, but iT found the full song title and put it in (that part is a plus).
Right now, I am manually dragging each song back out of those individual folders and recreating my one folder (Latin-Mixed) and putting them in it, trashing all the folders iT made. What a pain.
Can anyone help me with this?
noodlehead confoun.. d deD

G4 desktop Mac OS X (10.3.9)

G4 desktop Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Posted on Mar 13, 2006 6:45 AM

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Mar 13, 2006 3:08 PM in response to Noodle-head

The problem is, that iTunes whether you've checked or unchecked the 'Keep iTunes Music folder organized' always organizes imported music.

Converting is considered importing the copy (in the new format) to the iTunes Music folder. So, iTunes will 'organize' it.

When iTunes organizes a track, it will get the information from the ID3 tag.
If you renamed a song in the Finder, you will not alter the info in the tag.

On the other hand; if your songfile has the (Finder) name 'track 01' , but the tag of the file contains all information (name, artist, album, genre etc.), iTunes will name the converted song using the tag information.

A few years ago, I also had my own naming convention. But eventually I gave up and have let iTunes do the organizing. And I'm happy with it now.

Although I do understand, why you want your music to be organized according to your own rules, you might consider letting iTunes do the job.

M

Mar 13, 2006 9:31 PM in response to Mike Johnson12

On a related note...

I was deleting some duplicate songs and noted that under an artist folder called "Compilations" there are several album folders that are not in fact, compilations. They are albums by a single artist/band.

I checked for some of the songs in iTunes and they show the correct artists in the library. I chose the songs and did Command-I to see what info was recorded and it all appears correct. Any thoughts?

Mar 14, 2006 11:40 AM in response to Mike Johnson12

Thanks all.
macmemo: I hear what you are saying but am reluctant just yet to give up control. iTunes is supposed to help, not rule.

Mike J: This is sounding hopeful but I need a bit more detail. When you say, "select" via the iTunes main window - how? Do I first have to drag that folder into the main window while the (topmost on the left) library is highlighted? I don't see any other way to "select" from iTunes.
Assuming the answer is yes: I did that, then highlighted all the songs and hit CMD-I. It asked if I wanted to edit multiple items. I guessed the answer was yes. Then I saw what you referred to; an option to click yes for making a compilation. I clicked yes to that, then OK. And then it ended. I mean, what next? You said this will group them into one folder (nested?) in the (compilations?) folder. Where is that? Or am I missing a step?

...Duh. I guess I have to THEN do my converting. Which I did. Aaannnd. Viola! It worked as you said. You can't see me now but suffice to say I just let out a loud woop! and did a short fast dance on the rug.
THANK YOU.

But. This really worked as stated but it makes me a necessary part of this very large conversion process since I will have to do this one folder full of songs at a time. Example: I have a folder titled Jazz. In it, as you might guess, are lots of folders, each a different artist or band. I can't just drag the whole "jazz" folder into the iT main window, and repeat the compilation process. Can I? Won't that pull all the songs from all the folders and put them all loose in one big "compilations" folder? Is there any way to use the New Folder option in iT, and put each of my subfolders in those. Then compile? Doubt it, but.


nnooo-dlehead ssslowto catchon
G4 desktop Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Mar 14, 2006 1:41 PM in response to Noodle-head

In iTunes Music foloder is another folder called Compilations. Nest in that folder are all of your compilations.

No you don't have to drag a folder to the iTunes window. What I an referring to is that you have selected the top tab of the Source column, named "Original" and that is how you are viewing the tunes in the main window. What you could do is take your tunes and assign them to various albums named the way that YOU want the music files to stay nested. For example - X-mas 1 mood 1 - X-mas 2 mood 2, Latin mix Salsa, Latin mix Samba. Assign the tunes to those various folders then make sure that you have told iTunes that those songs belong in a compilation.

Ok you have sorted your tunes and assigned them to an album named XXX. sort your tunes in the iTunes window with "Album", then select all the tunes assigned to album XXX, CMD-I, and Part of a compilation=Yes, now all those songs are nested in the album name XXX nested in Compilations, nested in iTunes Music. That is provided that you selected in iTunes prefs>advanced>general>keep itunes music folder organized. If you already have these tunes in play lists then you can do the same by selecting the playlist instead of Original as the source.

As noted in another forum where you posted, I have 9000+ tunes in about 400 folders in iTunes music with 130+ folders in the Compilations. iTunes can do alot of the work for you. As you probably know, to locate where a tune is do a CMD-R and it will take you directly to the song file. Also note that iTunes will name the song file the with the iD3 tag "Name" (of the song) info. This is very handy.

Clear as mud??

MJ

Mar 15, 2006 3:30 AM in response to Mike Johnson12

Mike
First of all, thanks a lot for your help. I AM learning. But you are correct in your closing assumption, not quite clearer than mud. Are you willing to go a little further with this?
I'll take that as a yes. Here goes.

You wrote: "No you don't have to drag a folder to the iTunes window. What I an referring to is that you have selected the top tab of the Source column, named "Original" and that is how you are viewing the tunes in the main window."

What do you mean by Original?
I keep all my music on an external drive. But this is not my Music Folder. Since iT and I have been struggling, I have assigned my Music Folder on an internal drive but use it as a temporary holding area. As conversions are complete (now, compilations, thank you) I drag them off to my permanent external drive. So I thus clear the main iT window of everything by deleting what was there and was converted. I also have multiple Libraries. This one I have called "Conversion_Lib." So, is what you are referring to as Original, my Conversion_Lib?

Assuming the last sentence above is true, then my problem goes back to the first question: if I don't drag a folder of tunes into the main window, how do they get there? And if I select the top tab of the Source column (my Conversion_Lib?) then I have a blank window.

OK. Moving on.

You wrote: What you could do is take your tunes and assign them to various albums named the way that YOU want the music files to stay nested. For example - X-mas 1 mood 1 - X-mas 2 mood 2, Latin mix Salsa, Latin mix Samba. Assign the tunes to those various folders then make sure that you have told iTunes that those songs belong in a compilation.

"Assign them to albums..." "Assign the tunes to those various folders."
You lost me here. Do you mean take a group of tunes on my hard drive (the ones I want to convert) and put them in folders (your "albums?) and name those folders as I want? Like the example you gave above. Which is basically what I have now - but on my hard drive, not in my Music Folder. (Is this where I am losing you?) But, assuming this is the case, what do you mean by "assign the tunes to those various folders?" Isn't that what I just did?

Next you suggest, "Ok you have sorted your tunes and assigned them to an album named XXX. sort your tunes in the iTunes window with "Album", then select all the tunes assigned to album XXX..."

Lost me again. Assign them to what album, where? Do you mean create a folder in iT? I'm really lost here.

If you can get me past these questions, the rest of what you wrote, I think I can understand and actually do.
You're really being helpful and I appreciate it. I've already learned a lot.


nnooo-dlehead wh-i-i-i-i-ning
G4 desktop Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Mar 15, 2006 7:01 AM in response to Noodle-head

Mike
Since writing my previous response to you, I experimented some more. And I think I got it. Pretty darn close, anyway.

I created a new folder in the iT playlist area. I created three playlists in that folder. I named each according to the group of songs I planned to put in them. Folder name, “latin mix.” Playlists: “cal tjader; gabriel rios; and mixed loose.” I dragged the related song files from my external drive - not my Music Folder, which as I indicated, is basically a holding tank for the converted, finished files. I ended up with, in the compilations folder, two folders for cal tjader, two for rios, and four for the mixed loose. I can see that iT decided that the tjader and rios tunes each had different albums, and that the loose mix likewise came from different albums. Not perfect but I can live with it. The least perfect is, obviously, when I throw in a bunch of different artists. I guess iT is going to individualize them and make new folders for each no matter what. But this is a far better outcome than what I was getting when I first started this thread.
And once again, thank you much.

noodlehead - hapPY
G4 desktop Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Mar 15, 2006 2:19 PM in response to Noodle-head

Since you appear to have it figured I won't get to involved. Learning by your own experience is usually the best way - not always the easiest.

You failed to mention - or I didn't read it - that you have music on various hard drives. A good strategy is to use 1 external hd and use a script from http://www.malcolmadams.com/itunes/index.shtml for multiple iTunes libraries. It really is easier to let iTunes manage the volumes of info for you. Another reason for using the script is that iTunes looks for certain files and they need to be in the correct location or it will create a new file. Specifically iTunes Library and iTunes Music Library.xml. These 2 files need to reside in user>music>itunes on your boot drive.

In reference to "original" I was referring to the iTunes SOURCE column on the left side of the iTunes interface. I usually work in the this mode and reduce the number of items that I an working with by using the SEARCH option (upper right). For example I will do a search for ACDC so I am viewing ONLY ACDC. This is just as easy as using a playlist or other folder in the SOURCE column but once I am done I just clear the SEARCH window and everthing is back.

iTunes as you probably know by now, will organize by artist>album. As you have learned the Compilations option can do a lot to reduce the clutter within the iTunes Music folder. It is your business if you want to keep music scattered over multiple locations. I have too much time invested in my collection and have mutiple external hd's for backups and also dvd hard copies. I find it much easier and efficient to keep it all in one location so I can easily manage b/u duties.

As for the least perfect - take those loose items and group them into a seperate compilation and go back to edit/move them later. At least that way they will be in 1 place and easier to find.

If the question is answered then mark it as answered.

MJ

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