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Time machine backup problem: mDNSResponder[16]: ERROR: getOptRdata - unknown opt 4

Hello there,


If anybody out there has any insight or help to offer, I thank you, my family thanks you, and my computer thanks you...


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The good news: time machine backups are finally starting to work. (Thank you to Pondini troubleshooting for that! Before going through #D2's suggestions, they would get stuck in the preparing/indexing phase, often freezing the computer after a while.)


The bad news: now they are painfully slow. I'm talking 3 MB an hour.


I know that slow backups are problems that people have posted about before, and I know to expect slow backups after updating and/or reinstalling the OS (which I've done...). However, after doing my homework, trying to scour pondini's site and elsewhere for insight, I'm at a loss. Something seems very wrong.


I'm not a code reader or anything like that, but I've noticed the following line repeatedly show up in my console system log since these problems have showed up: mDNSResponder[16]: ERROR: getOptRdata - unknown opt 4. I don't know what it means, and I've tried to google it for an explanation, but I can't find an answer (which may be due to my lack of code competence or something else). But it's the one consistency I find when since I've learned to check the system log. For example, here's the log for the last backup I tried.


Jun 12 14:29:24 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[1503]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb

Jun 12 14:29:29 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[1503]: Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: MacMac

Jun 12 14:29:40 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[1503]: Node requires deep traversal:/ reason:kFSEDBEventFlagMustScanSubDirs|kFSEDBEventFlagReasonEventDBUntrustable|

Jun 12 14:43:05 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[1503]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 854.1 MB requested (including padding), 124.88 GB available

Jun 12 14:44:03 MacNagles-MacBook ntpd[25]: time reset +0.319029 s

Jun 12 14:54:41 MacNagles-MacBook mdworker[1431]: (Error) Import: Importer force killed!

Jun 12 14:54:41 MacNagles-MacBook com.apple.launchd[1] (0x10c760.mdworker[1431]): Exited with exit code: 1

Jun 12 14:58:48 MacNagles-MacBook mdworker[1651]: (Error) Import: Importer force killed!

Jun 12 14:58:48 MacNagles-MacBook com.apple.launchd[1] (0x10c760.mdworker[1651]): Exited with exit code: 1

Jun 12 14:59:07 MacNagles-MacBook mDNSResponder[16]: ERROR: getOptRdata - unknown opt 4

Jun 12 14:59:37: --- last message repeated 8 times ---

Jun 12 15:00:07 MacNagles-MacBook mDNSResponder[16]: ERROR: getOptRdata - unknown opt 4

Jun 12 15:02:53 MacNagles-MacBook mdworker[1657]: (Error) Import: Importer force killed!

Jun 12 15:02:53 MacNagles-MacBook com.apple.launchd[1] (0x10c760.mdworker[1657]): Exited with exit code: 1

Jun 12 15:06:58 MacNagles-MacBook mdworker[1674]: (Error) Import: Importer force killed!

Jun 12 15:06:58 MacNagles-MacBook com.apple.launchd[1] (0x10c760.mdworker[1674]): Exited with exit code: 1

Jun 12 15:11:02 MacNagles-MacBook mdworker[1684]: (Error) Import: Importer force killed!

Jun 12 15:11:02 MacNagles-MacBook com.apple.launchd[1] (0x10c760.mdworker[1684]): Exited with exit code: 1

Jun 12 15:11:07 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[1503]: Copied 15901 files (9.0 MB) from volume MacMac.

Jun 12 15:11:14 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[1503]: Backup canceled.


The backup seemed to be going slowly but surely until about 15:00, when it seemed to basically come to a halt, and when that line started showing up.


And here's the Time Machine Buddy report:


Starting standard backup

Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb

Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: MacMac

Node requires deep traversal:/ reason:kFSEDBEventFlagMustScanSubDirs|kFSEDBEventFlagReasonEventDBUntrustable|

No pre-backup thinning needed: 854.1 MB requested (including padding), 124.88 GB available

Copied 15901 files (9.0 MB) from volume MacMac.

Backup canceled.



My specs: White macbook, 2008; OS 10.5.8. External hard drive w/ USB (STECH Simple Drive Media--not sure what else to include here...).



Again, if anyone out there has any insight or has had some similar problem, I'd be grateful for any wisdom you would offer.


Thanks,


Mark


PS. One other thing: this time machine problem seemed to become an issue ever since I installed dropbox on my computer. I've since excluded it from the backups, but it hasn't seemed to help much...

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Time machine

Posted on Jun 12, 2012 1:27 PM

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Posted on Jun 12, 2012 4:49 PM

Until the "Backup canceled" message, everything sent by the backupd process is normal (other than the speed). It's not clear why it's cancelling itself; usually there's another message about something like an I/O error or file it can't read, etc.


Have you repaired the backups, per #A5 in Time Machine - Troubleshooting? If not, start with that.


Also make sure your backup disk is set up properly, per #C1 there.


Did you try the other things in #D2 after one helped? If not, try them, too.




You do have some other things going on that don't seem to be affecting TM directly (but the more of your CPU they use, the slower everything will run).


mDNSResponder has to do with your network. What little I find via Google looks like a Snow Leopard or Lion Mac on your network may be causing this (sending a signal that Leopard doesn't understand). Unless you're getting hundreds of them, it's not likely a big problem.


The mdworker messages indicate some sort of indexing problem. The mds, mdworker, and mdhelper processes are used by Spotlight and Time Machine.) An "importer" is a special app that extracts data from specialized files so it can be searched. As the message doesn't show the name, that's not going to be easy to run down. But again, it doesn't seem to be a huge drag on your system.

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Jun 12, 2012 4:49 PM in response to My name is mark

Until the "Backup canceled" message, everything sent by the backupd process is normal (other than the speed). It's not clear why it's cancelling itself; usually there's another message about something like an I/O error or file it can't read, etc.


Have you repaired the backups, per #A5 in Time Machine - Troubleshooting? If not, start with that.


Also make sure your backup disk is set up properly, per #C1 there.


Did you try the other things in #D2 after one helped? If not, try them, too.




You do have some other things going on that don't seem to be affecting TM directly (but the more of your CPU they use, the slower everything will run).


mDNSResponder has to do with your network. What little I find via Google looks like a Snow Leopard or Lion Mac on your network may be causing this (sending a signal that Leopard doesn't understand). Unless you're getting hundreds of them, it's not likely a big problem.


The mdworker messages indicate some sort of indexing problem. The mds, mdworker, and mdhelper processes are used by Spotlight and Time Machine.) An "importer" is a special app that extracts data from specialized files so it can be searched. As the message doesn't show the name, that's not going to be easy to run down. But again, it doesn't seem to be a huge drag on your system.

Jun 12, 2012 8:53 PM in response to Pondini

Thanks for your reply Pondini. And also, first things first, thank you upon thank you for all the work you put into pondini.org. That's been an invaluable resource for me (and I'm sure many others) trying to get Time Machine working again.


To answer your questions: Yes, I have repaired the backups as you suggest in #A5a. (And I've verified the internal HD per #A5). Also, the backup disk is set up properly, per #C1. And, per #D2's green box suggestions, I have gone through steps 1-5 and 9-13 (concerning step 14, I couldn't find any firmware updates), and I reinstalled OS 10.5.8.


On the "backup canceled" message: I believe that was because I just told it to "stop backing up." I did that because it seemed "hung" after the first 9MB of backed-up material and then an ensuing 15 minutes of nothing. In the past, when I've left it on its own when it's in a state like this (for a couple of hours, usually), I'll come back to the computer at some point and find a blank blue screen showing only the mouse pointer with the fans "whirring" like crazy. It's like something times out and then freezes (despite the fact that in system preferences, I have told it not to go to sleep and "unchecked" the "put the hard disk to sleep when possible.")


In fact, it did this timeout thing tonight, again: I started time machine at 19:45, let it be for a few hours, and then I came back to the infamous blue screen, at which point I killed it with the power switch. Looking at my system log from 19:45 to 21:50, something indeed seems to have timed out:


Jun 12 21:49:25 MacNagles-MacBook kernel[0]: PM notification timeout (pid 845, ATSServer)


(or is this just when I held the kill switch down? don't know.)



It also looks like at 20:37 something initiated the external HD disk to eject:


Jun 12 20:37:23 MacNagles-MacBook loginwindow[36]: DEAD_PROCESS: 0 console

Jun 12 20:37:23 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[2186]: Stopping backupd to allow ejection of backup destination disk!



And after that it looks like it tried to start a new back up process again:


Jun 12 20:38:01 MacNagles-MacBook fseventsd[41]: Events arrived for /Volumes/Time Machine Backups after an unmount request! Re-initializing.



And then a bit later, it seems like it started the actual backup again:


Jun 12 21:16:30 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[2412]: Starting standard backup




(I could post more of the log from those times to give more context, but it's kind of long, and my guess is that it's probably kind of tacky to post long lists of log files in help forum like this when nobody has really asked to see them.)



Also, thanks for your explanation of the mDNSResponder etc. messages. (Bummer. I thought I was on to something... It is still put out this message a lot in the most recent back up I tried.)


My plan for tomorrow is to try to let the computer take as long as it wants to back up, but periodically check it every half hour so it doesn't try to time out or go to sleep (even though I've told it not to) or whatever it's trying to do when it goes "blue."


It that doesn't work, I'm not sure what I'll do. I know the computer is almost 4 years old, but it's never acted like an ornery "old computer" with problems until this stuff started happening.


If you any other thoughts, I'm all ears. Regardless, thanks again for the fantastic resource that you have created for us laypeople. As far as I'm concerned, Apple Support Communities should give you 100,000+ points, emperor status, and a cash bonus every time you login.


- Mark

Jun 12, 2012 9:47 PM in response to My name is mark

My name is mark wrote:

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On the "backup canceled" message: I believe that was because I just told it to "stop backing up." I did that because it seemed "hung" after the first 9MB of backed-up material and then an ensuing 15 minutes of nothing.

Ah, I thought it had cancelled itself.




Jun 12 21:49:25 MacNagles-MacBook kernel[0]: PM notification timeout (pid 845, ATSServer)

ATSServer is the system font registration manager in Leopard, so unlikely to be connected to the TM problem.



It also looks like at 20:37 something initiated the external HD disk to eject:


Jun 12 20:37:23 MacNagles-MacBook loginwindow[36]: DEAD_PROCESS: 0 console

Jun 12 20:37:23 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[2186]: Stopping backupd to allow ejection of backup destination disk!

That sounds like your system crashed. 😟 In addition to BDAqua's question, did you install any software that came with the drive (if so, what)? How old is the drive?


Do you have access to another drive you can try, even temporarily, to rule out problems with it?


And after that it looks like it tried to start a new back up process again:


Jun 12 20:38:01 MacNagles-MacBook fseventsd[41]: Events arrived for /Volumes/Time Machine Backups after an unmount request! Re-initializing.

Yup.


And then a bit later, it seems like it started the actual backup again:


Jun 12 21:16:30 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[2412]: Starting standard backup

Yeah, under most circumstances, it will keep trying every hour.


Also, thanks for your explanation of the mDNSResponder etc. messages.

Are there any Snow Leopard or Lion Macs on your network? If so, can you power them off or disconnect them from the network for a while, to see if that helps?


My plan for tomorrow is to try to let the computer take as long as it wants to back up, but periodically check it every half hour so it doesn't try to time out or go to sleep (even though I've told it not to) or whatever it's trying to do when it goes "blue."

You might want to start up in Safe Mode. You may not be able to run a backup in that mode, but it's worth a try.


If you any other thoughts, I'm all ears.

You might also want to run the Apple Hardware Test, that's tailored to it's particular hardware. If you have a PPC Mac, it's on one of the disc(s) that came with your Mac. The disk should have Apple Hardware Test and instructions for running it printed in very tiny type. Run the Extended tests. If it's an Intel Mac, see Intel-based Macs: Using Apple Hardware Test. Either way, run the Extended tests (that may take an hour or more, depending on how much RAM you have). Write down any error code(s) it shows.

Jun 13, 2012 3:37 PM in response to BDAqua

My backup drive is this: Simpletech 320gb. It's old, I know: from 2007 or 2008. I feel lucky it's lasted this long. But after trying a backup on a brand new Western Digital "My passport for Mac," it did something similiar as described above: slowed down after the first 3gb (of 84gb), and I let it be, then came back after 45 minutes to check it, and the computer was frozen.


Honestly, I don't know if I installed any drivers. I looked through my applications folder etc. and didn't see anything.

Jun 13, 2012 3:42 PM in response to Pondini

Tried on another drive today (brand new WD "My passport for Mac" 1TB), and it did something similiar as yesderday: froze, as described above to BDAqua.


To answer your question about Lion or Snow Leapord: no, there's no other computers on my network with that OS. Just this one, an HP printer, and an occasional iOS device.


I haven't tried Safe Mode yet, or the Hardware test. I will get back to you after I've had a chance to try them.


Thanks again!

Jun 14, 2012 10:05 AM in response to Pondini

Short story: Time machine works fine on both drives now. Thank you for your help.


The fix seems to have been uninstalling / deleting all things related to Dropbox. (Note: just excluding it from TM backups did not work).



Longer story: As a follow up to the earlier suggestions: I did the hardware test and the safe mode backup attempt. No problems in the hardware test. In safe mode, the backup did really well until about 39GB of 84GB, at which point it hung itself. The message that appeared in the system log the moment it got hung was this:



Jun 14 09:56:17 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/ATS.framewo rk/Support/ATSServer[466]: ********* Bad On-Memory Font Detected ********* (fontID = 131143)

Jun 14 09:56:17 MacNagles-MacBook mdworker[467]: Unable to use font: no glyphs present.

Jun 14 09:56:17 MacNagles-MacBook /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/ATS.framewo rk/Support/ATSServer[466]: ********* Bad On-Memory Font Detected ********* (fontID = 196679)

Jun 14 09:56:17 MacNagles-MacBook mdworker[467]: Unable to use font: no glyphs present.


(I assume there was a problem because safe mode affects the fonts ?)



Regardless of this failure, the clue was that drop box didn't start up in Safe Mode and that the backup proceeded very nicely until that hanging point. That led me to try deleting dropbox, etc. And things worked from there.




I don't know why Dropbox would cause a problem, even though I had excluded it from the TM backups; nonetheless, having deleted the application and the dropbox folder seems to have cured the interminably-slow-backup-to-crashing problem.


The mDNSResponder error still shows up periodically during backups, but it seems to be appearing less now in my successful backups. Not sure what that means either. Regardless, the problem seems fixed.




Thanks again, Pondini. You are the time machine Jedi GrandMaster.


Over and out.

Jun 14, 2012 10:10 AM in response to My name is mark

My name is mark wrote:

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The fix seems to have been uninstalling / deleting all things related to Dropbox. (Note: just excluding it from TM backups did not work).

What, exactly, did you exclude?


There's a (visible) Dropbox folder in your home folder (the one you put things in to have them synced to Dropbox's website and other devices of yours, but there's also a hidden .Dropbox folder in your home folder. I'm just now beginning to fool with Dropbox, but I think the one you want to exclude is the hidden one.

Time machine backup problem: mDNSResponder[16]: ERROR: getOptRdata - unknown opt 4

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