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andybc Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

In the new upgrade, the "Advanced" control is no longer offered. What kind of "upgrade" gives one LESS contol? Now I can't adjust the radius, high tonal width, low tonal width. And with laready formated photos from before 3.3, the old adjustments do persist witht he option to upgrade. But when upgrading one does not lose the adjustments already made, but again, the advanced features are gone.


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  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (12,470 points)

    Your observations are correct.

     

    There are a few sections regarding this in the Help file (search for "Highlights and Shadows").  As of yesterday, the on-line User Manual had not been updated -- use your local Aperture Help file.

     

    I too find this retrograde and worrisome (see several recent posts).

  • andybc Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I do have a workaround: Since Aperture preserves the controls for photos already manipulated, one can use the stamp tool to copy just the Highlights and Shadows controls off an older photo, and then stamp new imports. Voila, the new photos have all the controls.

  • dbmoore Level 1 Level 1 (105 points)

    Try the new H&S for a while they really made some nice adjustments and the new three slider is alot easier than the 2 plus 4 sliders.

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (12,470 points)

    I'll give it another go. My first round of tests showed that the functionality provided by the width sliders was still needed and was not duplicate-able with the new Brick.  I may be more willing to accept change now, but for me the issue isn't ease -- the old Brick was a piece of cake to _use_ (learning how to use it took time, but that's a different issue) -- it functionality.

     

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  • Dionysis Linardatos Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    The work around does indeed work for the time being but I find it very worrysome that these controls have been removed from the new highlights and shadows control. I read on the web that the new highlights and shadows controls use new and better algorithms so I can understand that the new control cannot simply include the legacy High Tonal Width and Low Tonal Width buttons/algorithms.

     

    Using a DSLR with very good dynamic range I must say that High Tonal Width and Low Tonal Width controls are used by me daily and improve my photo's greatly. I trully hope that the Aperture team will add this capability in the new control in a future release. If these controls disappeared altogether in Aperture 4 I would not upgrade to the new version.

  • andybc Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I agree. I probably use the advanced setting on the old H & S sliders for 40% of my shots. They even give a reasonable approximation of HDR processing, when one wants that effect, without loading either Photoshop or some other 3rd party program. The new sliders almost seem to "prevent" overprocessing. That's good if the program is aimed at those wanting to improve snaptshots, but not for pros or semi-pros wanting their rendtion of a photo rather than Apple's.

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (12,470 points)

    Dionysis Linardatos wrote:

    I trully hope that the Aperture team will add this capability in the new control in a future release. If these controls disappeared altogether in Aperture 4 I would not upgrade to the new version.

    The best you can do to influence the features in Aperture 4 is tell Aperture via their approved channel:  "Aperture➞Provide Aperture Feedback".

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (12,470 points)

    andybc wrote:

    That's good if the program is aimed at those wanting to improve snaptshots, but not for pros or semi-pros wanting their rendtion of a photo rather than Apple's.

    "Pro" has no bearing here (there is no reason to use it to bash excellent, caring non-pros).  I agree 100% with the following:

     

    That's good if the program is aiming at those wanting to quickly process photos to make them acceptable;  photographers who prefer more control -- and to develop their photos to their taste, rather than to Apple's -- need and deserve the most sophisticated multi-dimensional Bricks Apple can make.

     

    I call the new auto-enhance tool the "National Geographicizer".  It works well.  I don't want my photos to look like that.

     

    The dispute really comes down to what you identified: should photo development tools be result-nuetral, like a loaf pan and a mix-master, or valorize a particular result or set of results over others (like a boxed bread mix, or even like a sleeve of cookie dough)?

     

    I don't mind having tools for the unskilled installed on my kitchen counter (as long as they don't take up room); I mind very much having them take over the counter and finding that my mix-master now runs on only one speed with only one kind of dough hook.

  • léonie Level 9 Level 9 (67,770 points)

    I mind very much having them take over the counter and finding that my mix-master now runs on only one speed with only one kind of dough hook.

    A nice metapher  

     

    And I would mind very much to have only ready made, uniformly flavored mixtures of spices instead of a large variaty of basic spices to create my own mixtures or curries. 

  • andybc Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Kirby:

    Didn't mean to disparage non-professionals--heck most of my Aperture work is for myself and friends, not  job-related. In fact, my "pro" stuff tends to be mundane--my guess is the new H &S would be just perfect--as my clients tend to like things that are "normal" and "natural," rather than edgy. Basically, you hit the nail on the head with the word "caring." Being paid might be in the definition of being a pro, but it really has nothing to do with a professional attitude (caring) about ones photos. And, as you said, "photographers who prefer more control -- and to develop their photos to their taste, rather than to Apple's -- need and deserve the most sophisticated multi-dimensional Bricks Apple can make."

  • dbmoore Level 1 Level 1 (105 points)

    need and deserve the most sophisticated multi-dimensional Bricks Apple can make."

     

    to a point but I do not need Aperture to become a replacement for PS  and hence bloted.  Fine line!

    cheers

     

    Ok how do you put that nice grey box around a quote from a previous comment?  Guess not  Copy and Paste

  • Dionysis Linardatos Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    But this is exactly the point. With two sliders (high & low tonal width) I could edit my photo's in a quick manner without roundtripping to PS. If Apple were to remove this tool, I would be forced to explode the complexity of my workflow.

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (12,470 points)

    dbmoore wrote:

    Ok how do you put that nice grey box around a quote from a previous comment?  Guess not  Copy and Paste

    To quote from the message to which you are replying, click the "Quote" icon in the message editor tool strip:

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    This quotes the entire message.  Best to edit away anything not needed.

     

    To make a quote box to fill in, type "skdoue" (without quotes), double-click to select it, then click the Quote icon in the message editor tool strip.  "skdoue" will appear in the box.  Double-click to select it, and then type to replace (as needed).

    skdoue

    Cheers.

     

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