What happened to the advanced settings for highlights and shadows in 3.3?

Your observations are correct.

There are a few sections regarding this in the Help file (search for "Highlights and Shadows"). As of yesterday, the on-line User Manual had not been updated -- use your local Aperture Help file.

I too find this retrograde and worrisome (see several recent posts).

Even better, imho:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4026294

Try the new H&S for a while they really made some nice adjustments and the new three slider is alot easier than the 2 plus 4 sliders.

I'll give it another go. My first round of tests showed that the functionality provided by the width sliders was still needed and was not duplicate-able with the new Brick. I may be more willing to accept change now, but for me the issue isn't ease -- the old Brick was a piece of cake to _use_ (learning how to use it took time, but that's a different issue) -- it functionality.

Message was edited by: Kirby Krieger

The work around does indeed work for the time being but I find it very worrysome that these controls have been removed from the new highlights and shadows control. I read on the web that the new highlights and shadows controls use new and better algorithms so I can understand that the new control cannot simply include the legacy High Tonal Width and Low Tonal Width buttons/algorithms.

Using a DSLR with very good dynamic range I must say that High Tonal Width and Low Tonal Width controls are used by me daily and improve my photo's greatly. I trully hope that the Aperture team will add this capability in the new control in a future release. If these controls disappeared altogether in Aperture 4 I would not upgrade to the new version.

Dionysis Linardatos wrote:

I trully hope that the Aperture team will add this capability in the new control in a future release. If these controls disappeared altogether in Aperture 4 I would not upgrade to the new version.

The best you can do to influence the features in Aperture 4 is tell Aperture via their approved channel: "Aperture➞Provide Aperture Feedback".

andybc wrote:

That's good if the program is aimed at those wanting to improve snaptshots, but not for pros or semi-pros wanting their rendtion of a photo rather than Apple's.

"Pro" has no bearing here (there is no reason to use it to bash excellent, caring non-pros). I agree 100% with the following:

That's good if the program is aiming at those wanting to quickly process photos to make them acceptable; photographers who prefer more control -- and to develop their photos to their taste, rather than to Apple's -- need and deserve the most sophisticated multi-dimensional Bricks Apple can make.

I call the new auto-enhance tool the "National Geographicizer". It works well. I don't want my photos to look like that.

The dispute really comes down to what you identified: should photo development tools be result-nuetral, like a loaf pan and a mix-master, or valorize a particular result or set of results over others (like a boxed bread mix, or even like a sleeve of cookie dough)?

I don't mind having tools for the unskilled installed on my kitchen counter (as long as they don't take up room); I mind very much having them take over the counter and finding that my mix-master now runs on only one speed with only one kind of dough hook.

I mind very much having them take over the counter and finding that my mix-master now runs on only one speed with only one kind of dough hook.

A nice metapher 😁

And I would mind very much to have only ready made, uniformly flavored mixtures of spices instead of a large variaty of basic spices to create my own mixtures or curries.

need and deserve the most sophisticated multi-dimensional Bricks Apple can make."

to a point but I do not need Aperture to become a replacement for PS and hence bloted. Fine line!

cheers

Ok how do you put that nice grey box around a quote from a previous comment? Guess not Copy and Paste

But this is exactly the point. With two sliders (high & low tonal width) I could edit my photo's in a quick manner without roundtripping to PS. If Apple were to remove this tool, I would be forced to explode the complexity of my workflow.

dbmoore wrote:

Ok how do you put that nice grey box around a quote from a previous comment? Guess not Copy and Paste

To quote from the message to which you are replying, click the "Quote" icon in the message editor tool strip:

This quotes the entire message. Best to edit away anything not needed.

To make a quote box to fill in, type "skdoue" (without quotes), double-click to select it, then click the Quote icon in the message editor tool strip. "skdoue" will appear in the box. Double-click to select it, and then type to replace (as needed).

skdoue

Cheers.

Message was edited by: Kirby Krieger

thank you!