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  • Boywonder27 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I have a early 2011 MBP 13" 2.3 i5 model. I do photography and edit in PhotoShop CS5/CS6 and Lightroom. I have my MBP connected to external 24" display. Im in the same boat looking to upgrade.


    On my MBP 13" (2011) model, I got 16GB RAM ($85), and 256GB Samsung SSD ($250) I bought from Frys Electronics and popped them in my MBP. Its easy, nothing to it. With apple this would been easy $700 upgrade. My MBP run fricken great, PS CS5/6 run fast, no lags, and its takes 5 second load PS or Lightroom app.


    Retina Display is great, I want one, but I dont think in my opion it is worth it. Cant upgrade the unit RAM/SSD drives, and if you dont have apple care I hear repair cost is expensive and hard.


    People where editing and taking great and amazing photos, publishing work before retina display came around, or even my MBP model was around. So to say Retina Display is a must for photographers is all hype, thats what they said about 17" MBP last version. Always going to be someting better.


    If money no issue, go for it. But do get the 16GB as others have said in this post, it is soldered into the bored. I save some money get Non-MBP, use extra money for apple care or Wacom Intous5 tablet, etc.


    My 13" MBP on external monitor which it is 90 percent of the time works great. Im only upgrading for the USB 3.0 feature so when I work on files between external drive and my MBP will be faster loading and prevewing. As well as uploading my files from a shoot via USB 3.0 card reader. So Im either going get MBP 13" or the base 15" 2012 model.

  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    Boywonder27 wrote:


    So Im either going get MBP 13" or the base 15" 2012 model.

    Good for you! See that you finally made up your mind!


    I would go with the base 15" - that's just me.



  • Daniel Cath Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)



    Thanks so much for writing this post, I've been going-back-and-forth endlessly between maxing out a new 13" MBP (adding 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD myself) or getting low-end 15" retina, and I think I'm ready to take the plunge on a maxed out 13". I briefly considered an Air but I think 16GB RAM is a requirement for my next machine, and Air maxes out at 8GB.


    I use Lightroom/Photoshop and plug into a 24" external and really want a snappy machine to replace my 2008 aluminum MacBook. I've been reading stories about screen-burn with the retinas, and just don't want to pay $3k for a laptop. I've also read that Lighroom/Photoshop don't really need a discrete GPU and moreso just need a fast processor and all the RAM you can throw at it.


    What heavy apps do you use? (Lightroom/Aperture/etc.)

  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)



    I know I've butted in here before, so let me jump in.


    I would definitely go with the user-upgradeable 13". I'm a heavy Photoshop CS6 user - I use a multitude of CS6 apps, as a matter of fact. I have 16GB of RAM and a 512GB SSD and things couldn't be snappier. I think you'll find that to be the case as well. As you already have a 24" external monitor, you wouldn't need the extra screen real estate that comes with the 15". As you are an Photoshop and Lightroom user (which I used to be - PS CS6 satisfies all those needs now) I would recommend a screen calibration system such as the Spyder4 Elite (or one of the other Spyder products if you don't feel you need the Elite).


    In my opinion, you're making a wise decision - I just don't see spending $4k+ for a maxxed out Retina display when you can get a machine that you can upgrade yourself for much less.


    Just my 2¢...



  • Boywonder27 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)



    do you have the 13" or 15" and which one 13" or 15" 2.3 or the higher end?


    Also if you went 15" did you spend the extra $100 for High Res Glossy or Hi Res Antiglare?


    13" are dual core


    15" are Quad Core



  • sjst3wart Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm having the retina or non retina debate as well.. The reports of the image retention problem, as well as the lack of repairability make me reluctant to take the plunge on the retina.  I'd be using it with photoshop, video editing and compositing, music production, and such, so i don't think I could get away with not having a discrete gpu.

  • cludinsk Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)

    you can get a 15" non-retina with discrete gpu etc, outfitted the same as the retina model, but upgradable down the road.

  • Daniel Cath Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I've been doing more research and it seems like Lightroom doesn't really need a killer/discrete graphics card, just tons and tons of RAM and CPU:



    What's more important for using Lightroom, memory, or vid...

    "As long as the video card is adequate for the monitor you will be using, ie the right type and number of connections, then any modern card will provide enough processing power. The largest performance difference will be related to the CPU clock speed. Get the fastest CPU that fits in your budget. Supposedly the new IVY Bridge chips that should begin shipping this spring will have a 10-20% performance increase at the same clock speed over the current Sandy Bridge chips. You may want to consider waiting because you can then either buy the new chips and motherboard or buy a current i5 or i7 at a reduced cost when the Ivy Bridge becomes available. Of course, if you need the upgrade now, then there is no point in waiting."



    Another friend of mine made an interesting point about not being able to 'trust' what is shown on the retina display as it is just so different that what shows on a non-retina screen as well as what would be printed.


    If they come out with a Retina 13" (which is what i actually wanted), I'll bet it will also overcharge you for a 512gb ssd.


    Anyone have a sense if Lightroom can take advantage of quad cores?

  • michaelevan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the post. I'm debating this too, and as it seems like "champagne problem" to have, this will be first new computer for me in 10 years.  Yes, I had some help from a tech guru friend of mine to rebuild an old Dell.  But that's another story...


    What strikes me as problematic: If Apple is releasing the MBP RD now; and also releasing the standard MacBook Pro, Apple seems to ask consumers to decide, as Kyle Wiens aptly suggests:



    Primarily what bothers me is: Apple's deliberately chosen a product development method that anti-environmental. Wiens refers to this as "Planned obsolescence" similar to the autor industry. He's right.


    However, it all depends on your use of the machine, what your primary apps are, and what RAM you need to support those needs.


    I will be using CS6 constantly (PShop, Illustrator,  InDesign) for illustration and design. But I'd also like to be able to venture into video, since I have a Nikon D90 that will work well.  (Believe it or not I like to have the flexibility to work from hand-drawn images, process them as digital images, and then outputting them again as digital images.) 


    Where I'm stuck is: Will that 4x of pixel density really make a difference to my work?


    *The next best solution is the MBP Standard with high-res upgrade 1680-by-1050, SSD, and 16GB RAM--and it's upgradeable and fixable. 


    The latter point may seem unnecessary. But, say I'm traveling, doing a workshop abroad in Europe, and no one can repair my machine--not even me-- so I must wait two weeks minimum to expect it back. I would likely pay through the nose for repair.  This scenario most likely would occur within days of the expiration of AppleCare.  Then what worth is my MBP with Retina Display? Then what worth is the approx. 1 lb. less  (4.46 lbs) of laptop? 



  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    michaelvan wrote:


    I will be using CS6 constantly (PShop, Illustrator,  InDesign) for illustration and design. But I'd also like to be able to venture into video, since I have a Nikon D90 that will work well.  (Believe it or not I like to have the flexibility to work from hand-drawn images, process them as digital images, and then outputting them again as digital images.) 


    Where I'm stuck is: Will that 4x of pixel density really make a difference to my work?


    You make some excellent points for not buying the MBP-R: I wouldn't either. At this point - concerning the CS6 suite, the only app that's been shown to work with native Retina display is Photoshop and know one knows, at present, if it's going to actually ship, how it will be marketed, etc.


    Maybe in five years or so, all apps from major vendors will be 'Retina-friendly' - it likely depends on the success of Apple sales for the product and/or whether it will be integrated into future products or the technology (or something like it) presented on a Windows platform.


    With just Apple apps, at this time, taking advantage of full Retina display, I don't see the necessity in investing in it. But that new 2012 'standard' MBP seems awfully appealing to me...





  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I did purchase the MBP 15" with HD screen, not the Retina display, and so far there's one issue:

  • clintonfrombirmingham Level 7 Level 7 (29,995 points)

    Do you live in a fairly humidity-free climate? (Arizona, etc.) I would imagine that the static electricity would be greater, however what you describe in the referenced thread just doesn't seem normal. I'll read the thread throughout and see if you ever found a solution.


    BTW - you bought wha I would have purchased had I been in the market for a new MBP!



  • BigDag Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I just took delivery of the updated MBP 15 inch, 2.6ghz, 1TB, hi res glossy, it shipped in 1 week.  Jaw dropping display, lightning performance. Take the weight hit and save a fortune! It is awesome :)

  • MacPcConsultant Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    It is NOT saving a fortune, and the retina display is slightly better in most cases, but not at the expense of losing the FW and Ethernet ports and the internal DVD/CD drive.


    I've been testing a few MacBookPro (MBP) models, and while Apple did well on these models, there's a list of needed improvements I'll list in another thread.  The MBP is very enjoyable to use.


    As always, the keyboard is the best feeling one available, and the trackpad usability and sensitivity is exquisite.  Compiling a list of excellent features and at least six problems.  One of the most exciting improvements is that the charge time to usage time ratio is very small.   Apple engineers could have blocked the light poking out from under the transilluminated keys, and should have eliminated the often reported electrostatic sensation when using the two pronged adapter.

  • Mini-Mac Level 3 Level 3 (805 points)

    Ordered yesterday (7/16/2012) the 2012 15.4" Macbook Pro (NON retina)




    2.6GHz i7 CPU

    1GB GPU

    HR Antiglare Screen

    750GB 7200 RPM HDD  (soon to be replaced with Crucial M4 SSD with a fresh install of Mountian Lion)


    I really wanted the rMBP but just could not see the real value of the Retina display when the (HR) 1680 X1050 is really ideal for me.  I also have the late 2011 Macbook Air that has 1440 X 900 resolution, it's not antiglare and not glossy either.  I also have a 2006 Black Macbook with 1280 X 800 and it's not antiglare and not glossy.  If the rMBP offered a antiglare display I'd probably still be deciding (took 3 weeks already).


    The thoughts that keep me on the fence between the 15" rMBP and 15" MBP was "I need to buy the future and not invest in the past".


    And since I made the decision Im glad I did (15" MBP Antiglare).


    my Pros/Cons list


                             rMBP          MBP


    Speed                   X                X     (tie, if add SSD)

    Expansion                               X

    Weight                  X              

    Generation                              X     (decided long ago to NOT buy 1st generation anything, if possible)

    Repairability                            X

    Resale                  X                       (not sure here but makes since, new beats old)

    Antiglare                                 X

    Cost                     X

    Ports                                      X     (FW800, Gigabit Ethernet, DVD/CD drive)

    Value                                     X

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