Apple folks learn something from Propellerheads!!

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Apple folks learn something from Propellerheads!!

Propellerheads announced a new version of Reason for Intel macs. They are going to beta test from next week. I hope Apple gets the rewire thing straight with Logic immediately and not make people work only within Logic. It's very restrictive. I was almost thinking of canceling my imac intel order.

It took Props no time for this, they are simply the best!

Posted on Mar 14, 2006 10:51 AM

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sondod

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Mar 14, 2006 11:44 AM in response to swanusa

grrrrrr.... i'm tired, and when i'm tired i'm easily annoyed.

logic 7.2 crossgrade has been live over a month now.

how about i save you some money. go buy a pc reason and live or even better protools. make all the amazing music you want. logic obviously isn't for you.

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Justin C

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Mar 14, 2006 11:56 AM in response to sondod

I was kinda confused by this as well....I'm getting tired too

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jord

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Mar 14, 2006 12:07 PM in response to swanusa

I'd say whatever you're smokin', please share some.

jord

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xs4is

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Mar 14, 2006 12:07 PM in response to swanusa

if you end upwith the intel mac, but change your mind, I would be happy to take it off your hands.

😉

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swanusa Author

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Mar 14, 2006 12:07 PM in response to swanusa

Of course Logic 7.2 is available for Intel macs. It is made by Apple themselves!!! I'm refering to their support which is poor. Have you tried Rewire with Logic? None of the other software programs do Rewire as bad as Logic.

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Mar 14, 2006 12:13 PM in response to swanusa

What exactly do you want them to learn? Add me to the confused list.

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xs4is

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Mar 14, 2006 12:14 PM in response to Mike Connelly

I'm willing to bet it revolves around rewire...

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swanusa Author

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Mar 14, 2006 12:21 PM in response to xs4is

xs4is,

LOL. You are funny!

The point I was trying to make was that Propellerheads support their product very well. Apple released their intel mac way ahead of time but still Props are almost ready with their product immediately. Rewire has been out for years and still Logic doesn't support it well and that's just one of the things.

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Justin C

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Mar 14, 2006 12:38 PM in response to swanusa

?????

Logic has been released for a while now as a universal Binary...as was mentioned....wayer aheader of time. Do you think developers had no idea Intel Macs were coming out?

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Phillip K

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Mar 14, 2006 12:40 PM in response to swanusa

I just got my 7.2 Version of Pro a couple days ago, so I have not had time to run Reason into it. I had no problems running Reason as a slave to Logic Express. Why would there be any problems with Pro? If there is, would someone like to comment on it. Ωæƒ∂ß

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sondod

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Mar 14, 2006 12:47 PM in response to swanusa

like i said why bother with logic. they obviously aren't meeting your needs. there are plenty of other programs to rewire to. choose one and move on. i personally am tired of logic wasting time with rewire when they could be improving the score editor or the sample editor. you know the things that make logic work, not the things that make reason work.

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Justin C

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Mar 14, 2006 12:49 PM in response to Phillip K

For the record, 7.2 has reason enhancements.

Philip K,

Looping and channel handling were the biggest reasons ReWire with Logic was imperfect for people

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swanusa Author

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Mar 14, 2006 2:23 PM in response to Phillip K

I don't know about Logic Express but on Logic pro, Rewire doesn't work well. I mean, you have to set up everything manually. You have to create channels, name the Rewire tracks, select the bus, the Rewire tracks in Arrange window etc. It's ridiculous. In Cubase and Live, it's a breeze. You just need to open Reason after those and you are good to go. Logic is a pro application for most stuff but for Rewire it can't get any less pro than that.

In Logic 7.2, there isn't much improvement in Rewire apart from being able to select stereo tracks.

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swanusa Author

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Mar 14, 2006 2:33 PM in response to sondod

You just can't go on buying different software programs and switching platforms. You may have hundreds to spend on stuff but I don't. It's not easy to sell your software for the same price you bought, you can't even get 75% of it back. And it's not a question of money, it's a question of them supporting what they claim. Logic has definately disturbed me because of it's Rewire capability. I switched from Cubase + Reason on a PC to Logic + Reason on a mac mainly because of the mac OS. I was so shocked to know it doesn't work well. It's an expensive affair to switch platforms, it's not just the host software, you have to buy plug-ins too.

I don't think I'm being over-critical but companies like Apple have to support their users well. They have been doing that for most part but a lot of the times, their sales people, tech support guys, even some of the users on these boards are arrogant and it needs to change.

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Answer 15

Mar 14, 2006 3:22 PM in response to swanusa

The info on the propellerhead site is very interesting for PPC and intel users.
They are releasing a intel mac version, but it won't be a universial binary (i.e., it will not contain the PPC and intel versions, only the intel compiled version)

http://www.propellerheads.se/

Here is an excerpt:

"A Universal Binary actually contains two compiled applications, one for PPC and one for Intel. To create a Universal Binary, Propellerhead would need to use Apple's XCode compiler for both the PPC and Intel versions of the program. By contrast, the shipping version of Reason for PPC computers (version 3.0.4) is compiled with Motorola's CodeWarrior compiler. Unfortunately, our internal performance testing shows that compiling Reason for PPC using Apple's XCode compiler creates a significantly slower program than the shipping 3.0.4 version that we have today. For this reason we have decided to keep the two versions separate for the time being."

It interesting they've decided to use the CodeWarrior compiler for the PPC version and use Xcode for the intel version. This will make the intel version substantially smaller in size (relative to the UB). Also, the future PPC versions of Reason will be optimized for the PPC architecture.

by the way... How big is the UB for Logic 7.2?

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