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  • Ian Cheong Level 1 Level 1

    See this thread for a method of generating a bootable optical disc for SL for newer machines which will not boot from a 10.6 retail disc.


    (Still happily running SL on early MBP 17", upgraded to SSD - was Cricual M4, now Sandisk.)


    Like others, still expecting the 17" retina MBP to make a later arrival when 17" retina displays are manufactured and possible other technical issues ironed out. (Remember the old 17" made a late arrival due to screen flex issues.)

  • Leonardo_B Level 1 Level 1

    I've been using 17" Apple laptops since 2004 and they are essential to the design industry. I'm currently using a fully loaded mid-2010 model pre-thunderbolt but was looking to upgrade to a new MacBook Pro this year. I'm a creative director, I need a larger screen to have all my windows open when using the Adobe Creative Suite, or especially when editing video using Final Cut Pro. I can't see myself using a 15" at all. I travel alot too so it's a must in this industry to have the larger screen that is portable.


    I'm sure lots of photographers, graphic designers, interactive designers, web designers, web developers, art directors, creative directors, cinematographers, filmmakers, producers, video editors, photo editors, architects, 3D animators, Motion graphics specialists, Exhibit designers and others in the creative field will agree that a 17" MacBook Pro is still the ideal tool in our industry.


    Let's see Apple put the 17" back into production in 2013. It's a niche that apple has always had and the need is still there.


    Hoping apple announces a 17" Retina version of the MacBook Pro on January 31, 2013 at the MacWorld 2013 Expo!!!!!!!   (crossing fingers...)

  • isolindo Level 1 Level 1

    After looking at the 15" Retina to replace my mid 2010 17", I decided to get a brand new  MD311 at a discounted price of $1.8k from a local dealer who happened to still have  1 in stock.


    Problem is, the screen was defective. It was yellowish and got red smears in small sections (maybe due to  being kept for months in its sealed box or I was just unlucky). So now I'm waiting for a replacement from the distributor. Hopefully it will be as perfect as my last two 17" that I owned before.

  • Yeager4772 Level 1 Level 1

    I am a creative, too. I used 17" Macbook since the first model and I don't even think about switching to a 15" model since the new MacBookPro 15" Retina display came out.

    I tried it,  bought it and love it.

    The resolution is outstanding! Battery last very longer and it is extremely powerful (with 16gb ram).

    When in studio I use it with an external 27" thunderbolt Cinema Display, but don't worry in any way about the 15" size.

  • BarefootHank Level 1 Level 1

    Make sure and order a Crucial SSD for it now if it doesn't come with one.

    Max it out with RAM as well.

    The SSD makes all the difference.

  • Yeager4772 Level 1 Level 1

    SSD is the best speed bump money can buy for your MacBookPro 17" if it came out without.

  • Ian Cheong Level 1 Level 1

    I had a Crucial M4. Now Sandisk Extreme.


    The Crucial M4 seemed fine from new, until the 5000 hour bug hit - disk then dies every hour of uptime, OK after reboot. Fixed by firmware upgrade, but it took me about 2 days of solid work testing, OS fixing, rebooting, searching until I found out about the bug and fix. It seems there may still be issues with various Crucial firmware versions and different versions of MacOS. I am still running old firmware version on the Crucial which has been retired to backup storage for now. If using Crucial M4, do read about mac OS compatibility and firmware versions.


    So that's why I made the jump to Sandisk. On reviews, there is relatively scant info on the Sandisk Extreme reliability. I am banking on Sandisk's extensive flash experience. Sandisk Extreme is also available for less than Crucial M4.


    Both Crucial and Sandisk need to be installed in preferably a PC to be able to upgrade firmware. Neither will upgrade via USB drive connector. I think you might be able to upgrade firmware installed in a mac, but the drive has to be connected via the SATA interface and it's much more hassle to do that in a laptop or iMac vs desktop PC.


    Cetainly, it's a relatively simple physical swap (only tricky bit being the method of disconnecting the MBP Li battery connector from the motherboard, which is partly a rotation and not just a straight lift).


    Newer machines are using the proprietay slim board SSD form factor, which is less flexible than the old models with standard laptop hard drives.

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 9 Level 9

    Anyone running an SSD needs to do something about "deleted" data.  Mac OS X simply adds those blocks to the free pool, and does not clear them. This forces the SSD to continue to carry and replicate them as part of its much larger "superblocks", as if they were still valid.


    One can periodically consolidate free space and immediately Zero the free space, but TRIM Enabler from groths makes a simple patch to enable TRIM for non-Apple SSDs.


    Apple has not tested this with third-party SSDs, and does not endorse it. I have been running it trouble-free, but your mileage may vary. There are other TRIM solutions as well.

  • BarefootHank Level 1 Level 1



    Anyone running an SSD needs to do something about "deleted" data.  Mac OS X simply adds those blocks to the free pool, and does not clear them....


    I use "Trash It!" and have no problems.

    This App handles very large files and large volumes of files in seconds.

    I've found Apples resident trash utility to be anemic and switched over quite a while ago.



  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 9 Level 9

    This App handles very large files and large volumes of files in seconds.


    Trash It! claim to fame is dealing with hard-to-delete files, not TRIM-ing deleted data from SSD devices. There is no mention of TRIM on the developer web site.


    If it can remove Very Large files in seconds, it is unlikley to be using TRIM _OR_  Zeroing to deal with deleted data. Over-writing very Large files takes a while, which is why Operating Systems never bother (by default) to over-write the deleted blocks, they add them to the free pool and leave them alone.

  • BarefootHank Level 1 Level 1

    Actually, they're quite good about scrubbing the drive.

    Here is the final dialogue box, with options.

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  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 9 Level 9

    While that is great for a drive with Nuclear Secrets, it is not a good idea for an SSD.


    SSD has a finite number of writes to each "superblock" (on the order of 10,000 writes). Using that Trash It! option will use up 7 writes without giving you a block containing Zeroes, which the drive may be able to mark as "free".


    What TRIM does is simply tell the drive which blocks contain deleted data. Then the drive does not need to copy and re-copy that deleted data when the rest of that "superblock" block is modified.

  • North Pole Level 1 Level 1

    You know there is one thing every one is missing here.. the new MBP are beautiful & the screen is great.. but there are those that need more real estate.. and you can say that the new 15" has more pixles to make up the difference....  but any of us over 40 years old  really start to have a hard time seeing so small...  On my main system I've been switching from 24" screens to 27" screens with the same resolution...  same stuff just a bit bigger to see....  Just say'in......


    Appple Please bring back the MBP 17"

  • manilben Level 1 Level 1

    Hi everyone, I may look stupid but I can't figure out how to leave this discussion (or a discussion in general...).


    Can someone explain me how to? I'm sure it must be dead simple but I just can't find the option!



  • OGELTHORPE Level 8 Level 8

    manilben, greetings:  Look in the upper right had section under ACTIONS and click on the envelope.


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